Leaked Emails Cast A Harsher Light On AEG Greed Than MJ's State of Mind Or Health

 

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While I am in the process of getting my pics and videos ready from the Gary trip, I wanted to take a moment out to comment on those leaked AEG emails. While in Gary, I had no internet access and so I basically spent four days in a feel-good bubble, enjoying the festivities and, of course, surrounded by all the love, adoration, and celebration of all things Michael. In such an environment, it’s easy to get swept up and to forget that all the nasty stuff still goes on. No matter how much love and respect for Michael Jackson you might feel during an event like that, the reality is that once we step back out of that bubble, it is back to the reality of the nasty press and the sadder circumstances of Michael’s life. But while reading about those emails may have put a damper on my mood, they certainly didn’t come as any shocker.

This was the headline from CNN this morning:

“Jackson ‘A Mess’ Before Death”

How typical! So we have a headline that immediatly casts Michael in a negative light, before one word of the article has even been read.

But it’s very clear who comes out smelling bad here. While there may be some truth that the leaked emails do not tell the whole story, their content nevertheless speaks loud and clear, and leaves little doubt as to what the true concerns of Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware were. For starters, their concern definitely wasn’t for Michael’s well being-or for that matter, even ensuring that the audiences got the best shows.

All that mattered to them was that they got a show. At any cost.

Sort of reminds me of a funny story I once read of a concert promoter in the 60’s who said if Jim Morrison didn’t show up, the show was still going on-even if, so said the exasperated promoter, he had to throw a wig on and sing the songs himself.

But while the exasperated concert promoter dealing with typical, erratic rock star behavior might be an almost comical cliche’, this is a whole other level of bone-chilling coldness-and nothing remotely comical about it. Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware were going to have their show, even if they had to kill the star to do it.

And why be concerned if the star lives or dies, if there’s just as much money (if not more) to be made by his death?

While Phillips called Jackson’s death “a terrible tragedy” in an e-mail weeks after he died, he added “but life must go on.”

“AEG will make a fortune from merch sales, ticket retention, the touring exhibition and the film/dvd,” Phillips wrote.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/02/showbiz/michael-jackson-aeg/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

Life must go on? Of course it must, Randy. But gee, don’t you think you could allow the guy to be cold a little bit before you are already counting how many dollars you can make off of his death? I can tell you that I just got back from the experience of seeing three children trying hard to have fun despite knowing it was their dad’s birthday, whom they will never see again, and a grieving mother trying hard to hold herself together to make it through a ceremony full of painful reminders of her loss. I doubt they found much comfort in all the profits generated from This Is It or those merchandise sells.

What is revealed is a trail of lies, deceit and cover up.

“He’s as healthy as he can be — no health problems whatsoever,” Phillips told CNN two months later to refute reports Jackson’s health was threatening the concerts.

The Los Angeles Times story, however, said the e-mails indicated major doubts about Jackson’s ability to perform.

“We cannot be forced into stopping this, which MJ will try to do because he is lazy and constantly changes his mind to fit his immediate wants,” AEG Live executive Paul Gongaware e-mailed to Phillips.

What becomes clear from this correspondence is that, in one way, Conrad Murray was right. Not that it was a fact I had ever doubted. Conrad Murray may have been negligent; Conrad Murray may have been guilty of administering the fatal dose. But the reality-in case we need to have it further driven home- is that he really was just a small fish in a big, ol’ dirty pond. Murray was pretty much given cart blanche to do whatever it took-as long as the end result was having Michael onstage.

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An e-mail from Phillips after that meeting said he had confidence in Murray “who I am gaining immense respect for as I get to deal with him more.”

It’s good to know that Randy Phillips has so much respect for Conrad Murray, a man who-truth be told-he should be sitting in prison right alongside! Phillips may not have been the one administering propofol, but if you ask me, Phillips and Murray are nothing more than two peas in the same pod.

And here is an excerpt from The LA Times, who first ran the story yesterday:

Even before meeting with Jackson, executives at the highest levels of AEG, including billionaire founder Phil Anschutz, were seeking insurance to protect the company’s bottom line if the shows didn’t come off, according to the emails.

Anschutz invited Jackson to a meeting at a Las Vegas villa in September 2008. Paul Gongaware, an AEG Live executive who knew Jackson, emailed colleagues a strategy memo. Wear casual clothes, he told them, “as MJ is distrustful of people in suits” and expect to talk “fluff” with “Mikey.”

The company was proposing a world tour that would net the cash-strapped star $132 million, according to the memo. “This is not a number that MJ will want to hear. He thinks he is so much bigger than that,” Gongaware warned. Talk in terms of gross receipts, he suggested.

The singer and AEG signed a deal in January 2009. According to the contract, AEG agreed to bankroll a series of London concerts at its 02 Arena and Jackson promised “a first-class performance.” If he reneged, AEG would take control of the debt-ridden singer’s company and use the income from his music catalogs to recoup its money.

There were doubters inside and outside the company. Dan Beckerman, AEG’s chief operating officer, sent Phillips, the chief executive of concert division AEG Live, a YouTube link to Jackson’s shaky 2001 MTV appearance and asked, “Can he pull this off?”

“With time and rehearsal,” Phillips wrote back.

Pressed by another promoter about Jackson’s ability to deliver, Phillips shot back in an email, “He has to or financial disaster awaits.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-aeg-jackson-20120902,0,6711027.story

Wait a minute, Beckerman sent a link to a Youtube video of Jackson’s “shaky” 2001 MTV appearance? Might this be the “shaky” performance in question? Hmm, interesting. Because it sure doesn’t look any too shaky to me! My only complaint would be that it was too short. But as far as being on top of his game, this little performance is as brilliantly spot on as ever. Okay, well, it was a forty second performance as opposed to a 2 hour concert multiplied times fifty. But still…

You be the judge:

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I know that a lot of conspiracy theories have grown out of the fact that AEG took out this insurance policy on Michael, as well as the fact that they forced him to put his Sony/ATV catalog on the line as collateral. However, I don’t fault AEG for being a business and looking out for their financial interests. But I’ll just say that while I don’t believe in running wild with unproveable conspiracy theories, it does make one pause and wonder, especially in light of these emails. It seems to me they were already six steps ahead in figuring a dead Michael could be worth well more to them than a live one-especially a live one who just might refuse to do the shows, or might prove unable to.

Kenny Ortega Seemed To Be The Only One Who Cared. But Even He Contradicted Himself And His Version Of The Truth. Or Did He? “It is like there are two people there. One (deep inside) trying to hold on to what he was and still can be… the other in this weakened and troubled state…”-Kenny Ortega

In some ways, it is easy to single Kenny Ortega out as the one, lone hero of the saga, a man who showed, at least in his correspondences with Phillips and others in the company, a genuine concern for Michael’s well being. And who also seemed to be the only one who actually cared more about Michael’s health than whether or not he was going to be able to earn them a dollar.

“It is like there are two people there. One (deep inside) trying to hold on to what he was and still can be and not wanting us to quit him, the other in this weakened and troubled state,” Ortega wrote. “I believe we need professional guidance in this matter.”

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/02/showbiz/michael-jackson-aeg/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

However, let’s not forget that Kenny Ortega was also one of those insisting that Michael was in excellent shape and excited about the shows during the promotions for This Is It. Perhaps there was at least some partial truth to this. I personally believe that Michael probably waffled between genuine excitement and enthusiasm for the shows, and anxiety about performing them. I believe he may well have been torn between a genuine desire to perform again, and the paralyzing fear that he might not deliver up to expectations-as well as, perhaps, some understandable resentment of feeling as though he was backed into a corner. I am sure that, at various times, Ortega, Phillips, and Gongaware probably saw all of the above-which means, as the old saying goes, that the real truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. If anything, Ortega’s own words above confirm this very contradiction. Part of me has always felt a genuine fondness for Kenny Ortega and I’ve always wanted to believe he was a true friend of Michael’s with his best interests at heart. But then, when you read his emails, and listen to what he had to say in court last year at Murray’s trial, and then compare that to interviews like this one he gave while promoting This Is It in 2009, it really does make you wonder.

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Kenny Ortega’s 2011 testimony during Conrad Murray’s trial paints a very different picture. Can these two totally different versions both be part of the same truth?

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I believe that Michael The Artist was as sharp, focused, and driven as ever. But Michael the human being was in a weak and vulnerable state, and exploited by greed. The more truth that is revealed about his final days, the sadder his story becomes. I still do not regret that I saw This Is It, nor do I regret buying it. I still believe that, for what it is, it is a wonderful capsule of Michael’s final moments and some of his final performances. Perhaps, in a small way, it is some small comfort to know he went out in saddle, doing what he loved to do best. How much more fitting than if he’d died with no final performance footage; with no hint that something bigger and better was just on the horizon for him! Certainly I would rather know he gave one last, great performance of Earth Song than to know he simply slid off the crapper one day and was gone.

But that knowledge also has to be tempered with the reality of what he was up against in those final months-and just how much, ultimately, those couple of hours’ worth of footage may have cost him.

And us.

UPDATE: 9/06/12: Howard Mann has assumed responsibility for the leaks:

Los Angeles (CNN) — Dramatic e-mails about Michael Jackson’s condition before his death were leaked to a reporter by a businessman who just settled a copyright lawsuit with Jackson’s estate, that businessman told CNN.

The admission by Howard Mann that he provided the controversial documents to the Los Angeles Times contradicts a claim by lawyers for concert promoter AEG Live that they have “unequivocal evidence” showing that Jackson’s mother and her lawyers leaked the e-mails.

The source of the leak is crucial to the wrongful death lawsuit filed by Katherine Jackson and the late pop star’s three children since the judge in the case ordered the documents sealed.

AEG’s lawyers filed a motion Monday asking the judge to impose tough sanctions on the Jacksons, including fines and preventing them from using the e-mails as evidence in their effort to prove the promoter contributed to Jackson’s death as he prepared for comeback concerts in 2009.
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AEG did not immediately respond to CNN’s request for comment about Mann’s claim of responsibility for the leak.

“We were able to learn today that apparently Howard Mann has admitted that he was the source, and that he definitely never received any documents from Katherine, Prince, Paris, or Blanket Jackson, nor from their lawyers in the wrongful death suit against AEG,” said Jackson lawyer Kevin Boyle.

Boyle criticized AEG’s lawyers for their haste in pointing the finger at the Jacksons.

“AEG made these accusations against the Jackson family and their lawyers apparently without doing even the most rudimentary investigation,” Boyle said. “We are further disturbed that the motion for sanctions filed by AEG was given to the press before it was served on Katherine Jackson or her counsel.”

If the AEG lawyers had reached out to the Jackson lawyers earlier, they could have helped solve the mystery of the leaked documents, he said.

“AEG has known about the alleged leak since a week before the article was published,” Boyle said. “AEG never contacted the Jackson’s counsel to inquire about the article or the documents.”

The e-mails revealed the promoter for Jackson’s “This Is It” concerts expressed doubts about the star’s ability to be ready for the shows but expressed confidence in the private doctor eventually convicted in Jackson’s death.

AEG Live President Randy Phillips was responding to show director Kenny Ortega’s e-mail, which said Jackson had “strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior” and suggesting they hire a “top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP.”

Jackson died on June 25, 2009, from what the Los Angeles County coroner ruled was an overdose of a surgical anesthetic and sedatives, drugs that Dr. Conrad Murray told police he used to help the entertainer sleep as he prepared for the concerts set to start two weeks later.

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to four years in prison last year.

Mann, who once partnered with Katherine Jackson on a book and documentary about her family, said he obtained the documents from various sources, but none of them came from the Jacksons or their lawyers.

He gave them to reporter Harriet Ryan because he wanted the story of Jackson’s death to be told, Mann said. Mann’s company settled a copyright dispute with Jackson’s estate over use of Jackson’s images this week.

Ryan, who kept the source of the documents secret in her story, did not immediately respond to CNN requests for comment on Mann’s claim that he gave them to her.

AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam went on a public relations and legal offensive against Katherine Jackson and her lawyers this week in response to Ryan’s article and the subsequent stories by other news outlets, including CNN.

“AEG believes the unequivocal evidence shows that Katherine Jackson and her attorneys leaked these documents to the press,” he said in a statement to CNN. “The documents released to the press were given to Mrs. Jackson and her attorneys — and to no one else — confidentially in discovery and subject to a court order.”

But Mann said he got the e-mails from several sources, including Jackson fans who contacted him. Some of the documents were part of discovery in other cases, including the criminal trial of Dr. Murray, he said.

Boyle, the Jackson lawyer, also told CNN that other parties had the same documents, including lawyers involved in an ongoing insurance case against AEG.

Lloyds of London seeks to void a $17.5 million policy that AEG purchased in case Jackson was not able to perform the 50 shows scheduled for London’s O2 Arena. The insurer contends AEG hid Jackson’s health problems and failed to respond to repeated requests for his medical history.

“Katherine, Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson and their lawyers deny AEG’s allegations that we gave any protected documents to the press,” Boyle said.

The documents made public in the Los Angeles Times story are not the most damaging to AEG that were uncovered, Boyle said.

“We can assure you that we are in possession of documents that make for an extremely compelling story in the wrongful death case, and that completely support the plaintiffs’ claims,” he said.

AEG Live’s president called Jackson’s death “a terrible tragedy” in an e-mail weeks after he died, he added “but life must go on.”

“AEG will make a fortune from merch sales, ticket retention, the touring exhibition and the film/dvd,” Phillips wrote. In fact, AEG Live was allowed to sell Jackson tour merchandise and share in the profits from the documentary “This Is It,” produced from rehearsal video.

The e-mails suggest AEG Live’s president saw Jackson’s problems first hand the day the pop star was to appear at the O2 Arena to publicly announce the shows.

“MJ is locked in his room drunk and despondent,” Phillips wrote in a March 5, 2009, e-mail to AEG Live’s parent company, the paper reported. “I (am) trying to sober him up.”

“I screamed at him so loud the walls are shaking,” Phillips wrote. “He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self loathing and doubt now that it is show time.”

The promoter blamed London traffic when Jackson was 90 minutes late for the announcement that day.

“He’s as healthy as he can be — no health problems whatsoever,” Phillips told CNN two months later to refute reports Jackson’s health was threatening the concerts.

The Los Angeles Times story, however, said the e-mails indicated major doubts about Jackson’s ability to perform.

“We cannot be forced into stopping this, which MJ will try to do because he is lazy and constantly changes his mind to fit his immediate wants,” AEG Live executive Paul Gongaware e-mailed to Phillips.

Jackson’s missed rehearsals in June triggered concerns in e-mails that he was slow in learning his dance routines and would have to lip-sync on stage, the newspaper reported.

“MJ is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time,” one e-mail from the show’s music director read, the paper reported.

A production manager wrote: “He was a basket case. Doubt is pervasive.”

A loud warning from Ortega, who worked closely with Jackson on previous tours, came in mid-June, just over a week before his death.

“It is like there are two people there. One (deep inside) trying to hold on to what he was and still can be and not wanting us to quit him, the other in this weakened and troubled state,” Ortega wrote. “I believe we need professional guidance in this matter.”

Ortega testified at Murray’s trial about his concerns about Jackson’s frail condition and missed rehearsals. It resulted in a meeting six days before Jackson’s death in which Murray assured the promoters he would have Jackson ready for rehearsals that next week.

An e-mail from Phillips after that meeting said he had confidence in Murray “who I am gaining immense respect for as I get to deal with him more.”

“This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig, so he (is) totally unbiased and ethical,” Phillips’ e-mail said.

The correspondence could play a role in the wrongful death lawsuit, which accuses the promoter of contributing to his death by pressuring him to prepare for the concerts despite his weak condition.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/06/showbiz/michael-jackson-leak/index.h tml

154 thoughts on “Leaked Emails Cast A Harsher Light On AEG Greed Than MJ's State of Mind Or Health”

  1. Welcome back, Raven. I’m anxious to hear about your experience in Gary. When I read the news article this morning, I felt an overwhelming sense of sadness all over again. I agree with you completely about him being sharp, focused and clearly able to perform at the top of his game if only the insomnia hadn’t taken its toll on him and caused his physical condition to deteriorate. I’m not quite finished reading Defending a King but when you consider all the vast aspects of his empire and how things had gotten so bad regarding management and his inability to trust people, I just shake my head in disbelief that he hadn’t instead suffered a complete emotional breakdown. There was so much on the line and no one, not even those really close to him who he trusted and had known him for years, could imagine his stress level. Here’s a man who endured the most heart-breaking event a human could endure–the 2005 trial for the ugliest of charges, and he barely catches his breath and he’s back in the vice, being squeezed to death by his unrelenting enemy–GREED. This new revelation just makes me so very sad. For a while there it was beginning to appear like the ugly was being slowly bull-dozed with the announcement about Spike Lee’s upcoming doc being aired on ABC and the 25 anniversary release of Bad. Now this. The awful, painful wound surrounding his death is being opened again. Part of me really does want the truth divulged but this is a death of a thousand cuts if we can’t get to the bottom of it and expose those who really played a role in destroying Michael. Of course Murray was directly responsible, but an involuntary manslaugher conviction doesn’t close the door. I can hardly look at Randy Phillips. He gave me such bad vibes during his testimony, as did Paul Gongaware. As sincere as Kenny Ortega came across, he, too, has guilt written on him. You just didn’t see it during the trial. I remember reading an account of his behavior after that terrible accident during the HIStory Tour in Munich where the stage prop malfunctioned and went crashing to the floor, nearly killing Michael. According to this source, Ortega showed little concern for Michael’s badly injured back and the failure of the bridge prop to operate correctly.
    Michael was so forgiving. We all thought that those working with him worshipped the ground he walked on. I wonder sometimes. At the top of Michael’s fears was what would happen to his children if he couldn’t perform. Never mind the terror of knowing what AEG and Sony would do if the concerts were a disaster. If people think that Michael wasn’t consumed with fear, they’re very wrong. Yes he was fearless on stage and clearly “owned” every audience. But despite his bravery and courage he was a vulnerable flesh-and-blood man facing the biggest challenge of his life. My heart is aching all over again and now it’s for his children. Thank God Michael doesn’t have to endure any more.

    1. “As sincere as Kenny Ortega came across, he, too, has guilt written on him. You just didn’t see it during the trial. I remember reading an account of his behavior after that terrible accident during the HIStory Tour in Munich where the stage prop malfunctioned and went crashing to the floor, nearly killing Michael. According to this source, Ortega showed little concern for Michael’s badly injured back and the failure of the bridge prop to operate correctly.”

      Yes, I remember that story. Karen Faye was the source. She is one who has been especially bitter towards Kenny ever since the This Is Not It days, but as I said, it’s hard sometimes to know what to believe and what not to believe. I do think Kenny bears some responsibility here. At the very least, he should have acknowledged what he knew instead of covering everything up just to promote the film.

      1. The accident did not happen during the HIstory Tour, it was at one of the two charity concerts “Michael and Friends” in Munich (the other one was in Seoul) in 1999.

        I could be wrong but I don’t think Kenny Otega was involved. Also the guitarist who performed with Michael was Slash. There are lots of footage on YouTube.

        1. Kenny Ortega was serving in some capacity because after the accident, according to both Karen Faye and Frank Cascio, it was Kenny Ortega that Michael had Frank call at 3am to demand that “somebody be fired.” Karen Faye always said that Michael was hurt that KO never apologized about the accident (but that is according to her; Michael of course never commented on it publicly one way or another).

  2. I think you shouldn’t forget that those emails are only a selection, not the whole stuff. As cold as Randy Philips seems, and it makes him look like an asshole, I don’t believe that he meant to harm MJ. I think he probably never realised what was the problem and I don’t believe he knew about the Propofol.

    1. I don’t believe he meant INTENTIONAL harm but what he adopted was a very unyielding “tough love” approach to dealing with Michael, and one that obviously didn’t work, but only ended in tragedy. I do agree that one can’t judge the entire picture based on a few emails, but a lot of this also came out during the Murray trial so it’s not exactly breaking news. I believe that like most hard-nosed businessmen, Randy Phillips’s eye is constantly on the bottom dollar. That doesn’t make him any better or worse than many just like him, but it doesn’t absolve his own guilt, either. I do believe he looked at Michael solely as a business investment, and all of his dealings with him were carried out accordingly. I can understand that his job was to make sure the show went on, not to be Michael’s babysitter or personal physician or personal psychiatrist. Whether he is truly a cold-hearted bastard or just a hardnosed businessman, I can’t say, of course. I don’t know him. But those emails-to quote you-certainly do make him seem “like an asshole” and there’s no two ways around it.

  3. Hmmm . . . the “This is It” storyline is interesting. Didn’t Murray’s lawyers request ALL the footage to show Michael was in a bad way for most of the rehersals? However, didn’t the judge and lawyers watch the footage, and in the end said that Michael on his bad days was better than most artists?

    The whole saga leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, but I am not surprise. Big businesses do whatever they want to stay on top, unfortunately Michael got crush under the momentum. It is not Randy Phillip’s job to be a psychiatrist, but since he called himself “friend” it was his duty to get Michael the help he needed, but that help would have postponed the concerts, and the show must go on.

    By the way this what Randy Phillips said completely – “Michael’s death is a terrible tragedy, but life must go on. AEG will make a fortune from merch sales, ticket retention, the touring exhibition and the film/dvd,” . . . . “I still wish he was here!”. I’ll bet his bonus from the “This Is It” merchandising help to soften the blow.

  4. @Shelly
    I think ppl should realized that AEG didn’t need to kill Michael to come out on top. If the concerts were a success then they would have made a huge profit. From the look of things they were planning future dates in other countries if the London gig went well. If Michael had defaulted then his company would have been theirs, no need for murder for hire.

    I said it before, I believe the propofol “treatment” was an arrangement between Michael and Murray. if AEG knew about the propofol they would have been receipts, purchase orders, etc in their name and none of that was discovered. However, AEG is not entirely clean here, morally they are corrupt.

    1. They may not have known about the propofol, but let’s not forget, it was they who hired Murray and-I feel-pushed his “services” on Michael. The propofol, of course, as we know, was a very big part of those services. I’m not saying that Michael bears no responsibility, but I believe that had a morally corrupt doctor not been pushed on him by a morally corrupt company, he might well still be with us right now.

  5. Raven, I was in Gary also, and it was so warm and loving. This email leak is like ice water down my back. Poor Michael

  6. I think Randy just saw him in terms of business. I don’t hink he tried to understand what was the problem. I also think that we shouldn’t forget that at the time those emails were done, his own family was pushing him to do the Algood show and the AEG show,and he was hit by a lawsuit because of that.

    1. Given all we now know I wonder what mental state Michael would have been in in 2012 had Murray not murdered him? The stress level is unreal and mind-boggling. No one can or should live like that, thank God Glory Alred failed in removing his children from his custody – that might have been the last straw.

  7. . . .but Raven in the trial we learnt Michael was involved with Murray long before AEG came on the scene. In fact it was Michael’s bodyguard that introduced him to Murray because he said the doctor saved his father’s life.

    My problem with AEG is NOT the fact that they were concerned about their balance sheet, that’s just business; however, they saw FIRSTHAND someone clearly in distressed, and turned a blind eye, and called themselves “friend”. I know the dollar signs dancing in their heads made them indifferent.

    1. Yes, he knew him but it was AEG who hired him and then insisted that Michael could see no other doctor and must follow Murray’s orders. Of course Michael was a grown man and had his own free will, but he also felt like he had his back to the wall in this situation. I do believe he liked Murray as a friend (or at least he trusted him).However, liking Murray as a friend goes back to one very critical factor that was addressed in the trial. A doctor/patient relationship should never be a friendship, and that is where things went wrong here. Instead of blindly insisting that Michael follow Murray’s regimen, they really should have been asking some tough questions as to exactly what that “regimen” was.

        1. Yes, but as you pointed out, he was having to sneak around and go against AEG orders to do it (not that I think Klein is any saint either, heaven forbid). Michael would have been a lot better off had he gotten a LOT of these Dr. Feelgoods out of his life, including Arnie.

    1. No, the interview did not pan out unfortunately. But I will try to give you guys a very nice write-up of the experience all the same, and hopefully (if we can get everything working) some good video of Katherine at the banquet.

  8. Hi, Raven. I always appreciate your input because you are very fair and look at both sides, or many sides sometimes. My two cents has to do mainly with Murray as I don’t feel he was just another small fish in this story. He is a licensed MD with 20 years experience under oath to care first for his patient. His level of responsibility is on a higher level…alone in that room with his patient, outside pressures need to be put aside, no matter how severe. He failed on so many levels and is the direct cause of Michael’s death. I see AEG and CM as last in a long, long line of many who exploited and used Michael…beginning with his father, through a laundry list of managers, lawyers, handlers, so called friends and family…through 93 and 05 and media/press, law enforcement,
    hangers on, music industry suits and on and on. Yes, RP is a callous man but neither he nor anyone else knew about propofol and they did consult with Murray who assured them, as Michael did also, that he was fit and healthy. Moral corruption is not a chargeable offense or the music industry would contribute more than a few felons to our prisons. I believe that Michael suffered from PTSD given what we know of his physical and emotional state (as much as we can know, really). A competent, professional MD would have at least had a consult for him.
    But one again, and for the last time, the desire for money won.
    Thanks again for your very informative input.

    1. No, moral corrupton is not a chargeable offense but just saying…I believe if there was TRUE justice in the world, that a lot of people including Randy Rhillips are just as culpable as Murray. That by no means absolves Murray’s own guilt, however.

  9. I also wonder how MJ felt when his brothers tried to sell a reality show during the 2005 tribal. I wonder what we will learn about the Jackson during next year blood bath.

  10. FYI, Regarding the LA Times original article about the leaked emails.: Before I went out to dinner tonight there were over 160 very interesting and overwhelmingly knowledgeable and supportive (of Michael) comments. I read through yesterday’s 9/2 comments and was going to finish later. It’s still 9/3 where I live. They are all gone. What gives? Why were these wiped out?

    I do feel that Michael’s fans need to articulately and calmly comment on articles. I think more people are learning how difficult, painful, and lonely his life was and are seeing him in a different if not better, at least understanding light.

    I too was very excited about all the positive vibes coming out regarding Bad 25–the music, the Lee movie etc. This is all so dishearteing and heartbreaking.

    It’s just never ending for Michael, even in death.

  11. AEG did not push Murray on Michael–it was Michael who insisted on Murray. AEG said we can get a dr. in London, an English dr., but Michael wanted Murray. B/c he trusted him and had made a deal with him re propofol, which other drs. had turned him down about (came out in trial). AEG never paid Murray b/c Michael never signed the contract.

    I think we have to understand the erffects of nightly propofol for 6 weeks–something that Judge Pastor said was the same as a medical experiment on Michael, something that had never been done to any other human being. Those effects, such as chills, confusion, anxiety, all played a part in how he appeared. Kenney Ortega was right to say AEG needed to consult professionals about Michael, but they did not. If professionals had been brought in, it might have come out about the propofol use and all hell would have broken loose. Michael would have had to go to rehab/detox and been treated for insomnia, which would have been a medically appropriate way to handle insomnia and not the crazy propofol regime Murray performed.

    These emails have been selected to show AEG in the worst light and so far they are succeeding. However, time will tell what happens in a courtroom when the lawsuits with Lloyd’s of London vs. AEG and AEG vs. KJ and PPB take place in 2013.

    1. Yes, I also remember that it was Michael who insisted on hiring Murray — according to AEG anyway, Michael is no longer there to give his side of the story, unless somebody is able to seriously challenge AEG on that account.

      1. I am going by the documents that were filed in Katherine’s lawsuit. Of course, each side is going to have its own defense and version of the “truth.” Michael isn’t here to say, as you pointed out.

  12. I don’t remember it coming out at trial that Michael was turned down by other doctors from whom he supposedly ‘requested’ propofol. Cherilyn Lee made that claim, but she is a nurse, not a doctor.

    At trial it did come out that when Michael consulted Dr, Metzger, Metzger gave him powerful, dangerous drugs whose use to treat insomnia is not standard, and was definitely “off-label”. MJ could not get appropriate treatment no matter which way he turned.

    Paul Gongaware is in a class by himself, for jerks. Throughout his life, NO ONE has ever characterized Michael Jackson as “lazy”. Gongaware’s sneering contempt for the man who employed him for years is beyond disgusting.

    1. “At trial it did come out that when Michael consulted Dr, Metzger, Metzger gave him powerful, dangerous drugs whose use to treat insomnia is not standard, and was definitely “off-label”. MJ could not get appropriate treatment no matter which way he turned.”

      Metzerger refused it. He said MJ wanted Lorezapam by injection and Metzerger told him now. Lee said during her testimony that MJ asked for Propofol.

      1. Metzger prescribed clonazepam, trazodone, tizanidine. These drugs are used to treat seizures and panic attacks, clinical depression, and multiple sclerosis. They are not used to treat insomnia. These are powerful, dangerous, mood-altering medications. It’s astonishing to me that there was no comment from the talking head TV doctors about the inappropriateness of Metzger’s treatment.

        Metzger also testified that Michael did not ask for any drug by name.

    2. Michael was definitely never lazy in his work ethic (it was, after all, 40+ years of hard, non-stop work that built his legacy). He was always working, even in 2006 and 2007, a time when a lot of people had simply written him off. If Michael WAS being lazy about his work (missing rehearsals, etc) then that should have been a strong indication that something was wrong.

      1. Michael I believe was scared. Scared of the not living up to his own expectations, and giving the media a reason to sling mud.

        I believe he was also tired. Tired of all the lawsuits, court appearences, bad deals, financial ruin etc. It was enough to make anyone tired.

  13. Oh Raven, welcome back … I can not wait to read your report of the experience to Gary! It will secure a glimpse of reality in the midst of this world of incredible lies and deceptions!

    “But Also That knowledge has to be tempered with the reality of what he was up against in Those final months-and just how much, ultimately, Those couple of hours’ worth of footage may have cost him. And us.”

    Your last sentence struck me deep in my heart. This is it is my personal reality about Michael. When there was too much confusion about him, in every field, I have always looked at it again a few scenes of the film, and I found Michael, always.
    Read your sentence, leads to another, bitter awareness about the last few days of Michael.

    But I want to ask you a kindness. You know, in Italy, do not get translations of all, and I can not always understand conversations in footage.
    Can you explain me, please – as if I was six years old and from your point of view – the connections Ortega – Michael – AEG bussiness? The mechanisms hidden behind the facade?

    Thanks Raven if you will, in the meantime a big hug!

    1. I would be happy to do that for you but it may be a little too comples to get into at the moment, as I am simply doing a quick check in from work. I can do this via email a bit later if you would like.

      I usually assume that most readers are familiar with those details, but that is not always the case.

      1. Thank you very much Raven, you would take to me really a gift! In Italy on Michael’s events came news confusing and conflicting.

        For example about the process to Murray the our media have made ​​a summary report. I looked from Italian sites dedicated to Michael to explore, but there are summary translations, in short I have made ​​an idea but it is based on distorted news.

        Thanks Raven, when you can, wait for your mail, thanks for everything.

  14. The lawyers for AEGLive, the company being sued by Michael Jackson’s family for his alleged wrongful death, are fuming. I am told they may ask the court for sanctions against the Jackson family and their attorneys as early as Tuesday over emails that were leaked to the Los Angeles Times last week. The emails, which the Times published, were sealed as part of the wrongful death suit as evidence. The court case won’t be heard until next year.

    But my sources say that the Jacksons, desperate for money after their failed attempt to snatch Katherine Jackson this summer, are looking for sympathy in the court of public opinion. I’m told they selectively pulled a few mails from hundreds and turned them over to the Los Angeles Times in an effort to make AEGLive look guilty of somehow forcing Michael to perform 50 concerts in London.

    The truth when the totality of the emails is uncovered in court will be quite different. Michael Jackson was in deep debt when AEG first proposed he do 10 shows at the O2 Arena. That was in the fall of 2008. Jackson waffled. But eventually he was persuaded to agree simply because he had no choice. In practical terms, he was broke. AEG offered him an easy way to make some decent money and get back on his feet.

    One thing is true: on the way to the O2 Arena announcement in March 2009, Jackson freaked out. He got ripping drunk. The result can be seen in the video of the announcement. Michael is grinning from ear to ear, laughing, and has no idea what to say other than “This is it.” On the way to the announcement from London, he was petrified. He was very late arriving at the Arena, as well, making everyone wait.

    What the LA Times has discounted is the documentary, “This Is It.” For as much as Michael was petulant, stubborn, lazy, scared, etc, he was also a perfectionist with certain specific abilities. The latter are seen in the film at the rehearsals that he did show up for. And no one at AEG Live was trying to kill him, or overwork him to the point of exhaustion. AEG wanted Michael to succeed. They let him handpick everyone from Dr. Conrad Murray to his chef to trainers etc.

    Let’s not forget: on May 5th, 2009 Kevin Spacey’s former manager Joanne Horowitz ran into Michael at Dr. Arnold Klein’s office. Michael was in great shape and looking forward to the tour. (Link follows.) Jackson’s mental and physical status changed on a daily basis as the London shows loomed. Like any performer, there were days when he was excited and others when he was apprehensive.

    http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/09/03/michael-jackson-lawyers-may-ask-court-for-sanctions-over-leaked-emails

    1. “Jackson’s mental and physical status changed on a daily basis as the London shows loomed. Like any performer, there were days when he was excited and others when he was apprehensive.”

      Yes, I agree with this part. And I think it also explains why there were so many contradictory stories, just as I mentioned. Of course Roger Friedman, as we know, is very anti-Jackson family (apparently, it seems to me, he has been for some time). I don’t think the Jacksons are always in the right but I do believe there is truth in the assertion that Michael was being pushed very hard at a time when that may not have been the best strategy for him. I’m not saying he needed to be coddled, either (in fact, having more “yes” people was the last thing he needed) but obviously, Randy Phillips did write those emails and they frankly reveal someone with very little compassion whose bottom line is the almighty dollar. It may not make him a criminal, but it sure doesn’t put him in a very favorable light as a human being.

  15. Today for no reason, I was again looking at the “This is it announcement” footage…listened to his brief farewell speech and his repeated declaration of true love for his fans. Tears welled up and and then I stumbled upon these emails…

    From all accounts Michael clearly suffered performance anxiety and fear right from the time he decided to do this concert. So much of scathing criticism and cruelty did certainly affect his confidence. I have often wondered why he did not sell his assets and buy his peace of mind by getting rid of all debt. By selling his stake, the sharks would be gone and he could have had happy days with his children. He could still have left his children a few millions…too simplified thinking…may be when you work your ass off all your life, it is not that easy to give it all up.

    But I have to come to think that his catalogue was a curse…

    On a spiritual note..Michael’s time had come…the soul always knows…and for the last 2 days it shone brightly giving off the last brilliance…

    In the end, Michael had the most difficult situations and circumstances, he alone knows what he had to endure and I know he did his best. Rest in peace, Michael. We love you.

  16. Hi Raven. So sad to read and hear about that, especially after only few days from Michael’s birthday and the celebrations for the 25th anniversary of Bad. What can I say…I totally agree with you. Hugs.

  17. Randy Phillips and Conrad Murray are NOT two peas in the same pod. Murray was ignorant and lazy. He needed to make a long phone call to Lloyd’s and didn’t want to be interrupted to inject propofol into the IV bag every 10 minutes, so he slit the IV bag and upended the whole bottle inside. He did not intend to kill Michael and he was not evil. Randy Phillips, however, is. AEG killed Michael as they forced him to breaking point. It was with God’s grace that he left, as he could not take the stress anymore. And AEG did not win in the end because had Michael not performed all 50 concerts, they would have gotten his catalogue, Neverland, masters, and even FUTURE royalties! If he died, the contract would be nullified. This was a losing bargain from the start. Have you ever heard of Beyonce or Kanye putting up their house, records and future royalties as collateral so that they can perform a concert? Unthinkable!!! Who’s the boss here?? That is what insurance is for. AEG never wanted Michael to perform. They didn’t want him to die either because that would mean they don’t get his catalogue and house and royalties and all. They just wanted him to default, and that they did by adding another 40 concert dates, which they damn well knew he could not perform.

    1. What I always come back to, aside from Murray’s stupid and negligent actions, is his complete lack of remorse and his complete lack of willingness to assume ANY responsibility for his actions. Also, if you watch his crockumentary and/or listen to what Ortega and others have said, he certainly emerges as a less than sympathetic figure (because, after all, one can still feel some measure of pity for someone who was just stupid). Murray has a very arrogant streak, and this has come across several times, from interviews he has done to his crockumentary. There was a time when I did feel a little sorry for Murray (okay, amybe just a smidgeon) because I, too, believed he was just a stupid fool who got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. There were times when I almost fell for his little pity-me-I-was-only-following-orders routine. But if I had any lingering doubts, the information that emerged at the trial-and watching/listening to his arrogant, unremorseful words and actions in his crock thoroughly put them to rest. I believe Murray IS evil; I just don’t believe he’s the only evil one.

  18. Shelly, he may have been somewhat tipsy at the press conference, but I don’t think he was so drunk as you say b/c we have footage of him walking from the golf cart into the building and he is walking fine with his usual swagger. Also his ‘minders’–Phillips and Tohme–would not have let him go to the press conference if he were so drunk.

    Simba, I apparently got it wrong re him asking other drs. for propofol coming out at the trial. It was just Cherilyn Lee who testified he asked her, and he asked Metzger for the Lorazepam, says Shelly. Thanks.

  19. Here is something else to consider. In Jermaine’s book (which someone reminded me of today) he said that Michael had just found out that his long time guitarist David Williams. According to Jermaine, he was shattered but went ahead and did the press conference. So, perhaps the ’emotional mess’ that Phillips described was grief…and additional stress because he was about to start his O2 concerts, now without his long time guitarist. Of course, this alternate explanation will never be printed because a ‘drunken emotional mess’ is so much more fun to report.

  20. Hi Raven, thanks for posting this. About the “shaky” 2001 MTV performance, I don’t think it’s “shaky” at all; in fact, remember in 2002 Michael did a full out Dangerous performance at American Bandstand’s 50’s anniversary, to absolute adoration of the audience and Dick Clark. Michael always supported important events for his friends, i.e. Sammy Davis’ 60th birthday; Liz Taylor’s 65th. Magical performances.

    I recalled an article I had read re the March 5th O2 announcement in London, about the death of Michael’s tour guitarist David Williams, who passed on March 6, 2009, at age 58. Williams had been hospitalized for over a week before he died in VA on March 6th, of complications of high blood pressure. It was big news here as his relatives claimed they were urged to “pull the plug” on David due to lack of insurance. I remember tour footage showing Michael’s and David’s closeness when he introduced David. Is it out of the realm of possibility to believe that Michael was despondent over David’s deteriorating condition at the same time he, Michael, was to give this huge 02 announcement, and may have had a drink to give himself a little “liquid courage” to go on with the announcement? Michael was very vocal with his concerns for musicians as they age and face grave illness.

    As for Michael asking other “doctors” for propofol, I don’t recall that being the case; the only one that I recall who claimed he asked for it was Cherilynn Lee who popped up on Larry King and every other show that would have her and, strangely, claims to have met Michael the same way Murray claimed to have met Michael, through one of his bodyguards. After all the hoopla, there’s suddenly a “publicist” listed at the end of her Nutrimed website (of course now long gone).

    What Phillips and others at AEG did probably isn’t criminal, just disgusting. Phillips is interviewed saying (paraphrasing here) if Michael can’t make it out to the stage, I’ll toss him over my shoulder, he’s light enough. Tough businessman or just another immoral vulture? Will we ever know the “truth”?

  21. @Teva, yes, as I said in my comment, Williams passed on March 6th, but had been hospitalized in critical condition for a week before his passing.

  22. Explanation is that MJ found out that Williams was not going to survive on the 5th. Either way, overtly emotional response would be the case I believe.

  23. What ever the intricacies and ins and outs, AEG, Conrad Murray, Randy Phillips et al. killed Michael even if they didn’t intend to, so are also guilty of manslaughter. And it has backfired on them, because Michael has escaped them,is now at peace, and as someone wrote once ‘put on his finest performance by dying and became immortal’, however painful and heartbreaking for the world. His powerful musical and humanitarian legacy will go down in history, he and his messages forever remembered and loved, while those immoral vultures have to face law suits and all the consequencies. This is the bigger picture I try to concentrate on to find some comfort.

    1. Her children and lawyers are pulling the string, they have nothing to lose while trying to gain something.

      Katherine is old, I worry about Michael’s children …

    2. This article is very misleading. The Jacksons have nothing to do with the lawsuit. Katherine Jackson is the plaintiff. AEG’s lawyers are seeking sanctions against her and her lawyers. Roger Friedman is sloppy regarding the facts.

      1. Like I said, Friedman is never going to pass up an opportunity to take a stab at the Jacksons, one way or another. He must still be stinging from some slight made years ago.

      2. KJ has everything to do with the lawsuit. She filed a claim against AEG that they were in cahoots with Murray on providing propofol/drugs to Michael. The emails that were leaked to the press AEG is claiming could only have come from the Jackson camp, they must have proof of this; otherwise, they would not have filed motions against them. It was against the law for them to be leaked; hence the sanctions. This has nothing to do with RF hating/loving the Jacksons.

        1. Of course KJ is part of the lawsuit. But the rest of the Jacksons, Janet, Jermaine, Rebbie, and Randy, whom Friedman slammed, are not.

  24. As far as other doctors giving Michael propofol, there was a report on CNN shortly after Michael died in which Sanjay Gupta traveled to Woodstock, NY to try and talk to a doctor who had supposedly given Michael propofol while on one of his tours. Can anyone say who that was? The doctor came out of the house and refused to be interviewed and asked CNN to leave.

          1. I have my own theory. I think they were leaked to force AEG into a settlement. To embarass and shame them so badly in the public that they would settle to avoid a trial, and negative publicity.

  25. There is no context whatsoever in which these statements could mean anything else than what they say.

    “This is not a number that MJ will want to hear. He thinks he is so much bigger than that,” Gongaware warned. Talk in terms of gross receipts, he suggested.
    “He is locked. He has no choice … he signed a contract,” Gongaware wrote.
    Philips shot back “He has to or financial disaster awaits.”
    “He was a basket case,” a production manager wrote.
    “He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self loathing and doubt now that it is show time.”

    Its telling that some are more interested in who leaked the mails than in the contents of the mails. Not even Michaels unnecessary released authopsy photos surfing the internet get the kind of outrage the leaking of undenied e mails get.
    Much of it is not news anyway, we already knew that Murray had an ongoing correspondence with AEG to supply a heart machine which AEG surprisingly never questioned or rejected. Even Murray had given an insight in AEGs derogatory opinions of Michael.
    The messages corroborate perfectly with what TINI and many others told in the passed 3 years. Some who were under confidentiality order of AEG like Trevor Payne , said it off guard and Deleo and Ortega made contradicting statements about Michaels health. This is what Q magazine UK wrote in 2009 in an extensive article about Michael while he was preparing for the O2 shows. It was after Michael had complained about 10 concerts turned 50 “this time though there is a big difference. The people he is dealing with now wont be content with mere proximity to a legend. they want to see him work. They care about the money. He must deliver.”
    I dont blame AEG for securing their business with Michaels cathalog, thats business.
    But their conduct towards him was downright criminal.
    Michael (his insurance)had to pay millions to the Chandlers for so called negligence while nothing ever happened and Jordy is living happily and rich ever after.
    Michael died, not by AEG but as a result of circumstances that are directly related to AEGs involvement and they wash their hands in innocence ?.
    Would a man who loves his children so much get himself unconscious while his children were in the house without a nanny ,only the doctor awake and around if something was not terribly wrong? Would he run the risk that one of the children could wake up in the night, and he would be too out to know or they could find him unconscious. Which sadly happen, but much too late.
    Even with a competent doctor, this was such a lack of sound judgement, only a very desperate man would go to such extremes.
    AEG didnt know that Michael was using propofol but they definitely knew that a doctor,under their instruction, was treating him to perform and they knew that a heart machine was in play. On top of that Ortega who had known and worked with Michael for over 15 years had told AEG:
    “There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior. I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP.”
    Would you consider a man in that condition able to do 50 concerts. ?This is far worse than negligence . This is a total disregard of a mans life, that needs to be brought to justice.

  26. A note: Ivy just confirmed that leaked e-mails included 2008 communications. Lloyds received only from 1/09. The only other persons who had them were KJs attorneys.

  27. @Teva,

    It’s very possible and as usual it will fire back. Did they ever came up with a plan which really work in their lifetime?

    1. I am still angry with AEG, but I am now upset with the Jaxn camp. How on Earth could I have comtempt for SBSO for leaking cofidential documents in the 2005 trial, and give a pass to the Jaxns for doing the same? The law is impartial.

      1. I think what AEG did was cold to say the leqt but they were not his friends or family. I’m really upset. I wonder who leaked all those stories to Friedman before he died. At least one of them is in randy’s girfriend deposition.

      2. If the court orders KJ to pay sanctions, she will petition the estate, and they will pay it on her behalf. After all it is technically her money. LOL

          1. Gloria Alred pulls these kinds of stunts all the time and they usually work for her. Celebrities usually pay to keep her from going on blast. If AEG hadn’t gone on the offensive it would have worked.

        1. It is also PPB’s money.

          For KJ’s lawyers, any case means business; by the time Blanket is old enough, there may not be any estate for him …

  28. “Gloria Alred pulls these kinds of stunts all the time and they usually work for her.”

    I know it’s a real shame.

    “If that was what the Jaxns had in mind. I think it is plausible.”

    I think they know they will lose the case.

    1. @Shelly – I agree with all you said but could it be possible AEG leaked the emails itself so as to be able now, as AEG has done, to file a motion seeking the emails’ exclusion from evidence at trial? That $50,000 sanction would wind up being paid by the Estate (b/c KJ asks estate to pay everything and it does), and AEG would have excluded the emails from evidence the jury could consider. But if Mann did it, as he now claims, he’s happy to take the fall for the Jacksons as, who is he anyway without them?

      1. I don’t believe it. If you read the documents they are asking for an investigation on who leaked them. If the investigations proved that the Jacksons never leaked the stuff, that motion would be a public admission from AEG. They said themselves only the Jacksons and AEG have the documents. If it’s not the Jacksons, it means it’s AEG. It means that they violated the gag order, knowingly filed a false declaration (which is a crime by the way, slander the Jacksons.

        Now it could come from an AEG employee who wants to hurt AEG, it’s possible but why? The article claimed some of the emails come from the fans. How fans can obtained confidential docs?

        Don’t forget the letter to the executors in July, the siblings clearly said they wanted the evidence to be public, I mean not sealed.

        I don’t really know how they can really erased that from the trial. The jury might not be able to read them during the trial and deliberation but everything in the LA Times article is known for years. Unless you have a jury of people who never read any article about the Murray trial it’s not really possible. I also I think they want to exclude the emails which are in that article not the whole emails.

        1. Another point, Mann said he wanted the Jackson’s death story to be told. The whole story will be told next year during the trial, so the leak has nothing to do with wanting to say the truth about MJ’s death.

          As far as I know, filing a document that you know is false can you send to jail and lawyers are disbarred for that.

          1. I am speculating, but I have problems not linking everything that happened during the last 2 months.

            First you have the letter where the siblings attacks Branca on the AEG stuff, yelling at him because he asked for those documents to be sealed. KJ disappeared for 10 days in a SPA in Arizona. Perry Sanders, who is attack is in that letter and probably leaked it, went to Arizona ang got hired for the AEG lawsuit.

            Mann tried to introduced the Will in his lawsuit against the Estate and lost. All that stuff got leaked when the Estate got lots of praise for their work on Bad 25.

            The way I see it Mann probably got the emails during KJ stay in Arizona

        2. @shelly, remember in the Murray trial, evidence of Murray’s past was excluded, not to be touched upon, although for months prior his dismal past was plastered all over the news; yet the jurors were told not to consider any of it, including his financial mess. Only within the confines of the several days leading up to Michael’s demise? Similar here, although these emails are out there for the world to see, upon a judge’s instructions, they would carry no weight to the jury at the time of trial were AEG’s motion to preclude the emails from being intro’d as evidence to be granted. And if emails were considered by the jury, after judge’s instrux not to do so, AEG could move for mistrial or judgment notwithstanding the verdict. Each side has something to gain by having leaked the emails; AEG to keep the emails out; Jacksons hoping to force a settlement.

          1. So why asking for an investigation? When you commit a crime you don’t ask for an investigation on your crime and for a lawyer to file something he knew it’s false it’s a criminal act meaning jail time. If it’s AEG, why Mann took the blame. if he got those emails from AG why not saying it? Why blame the fans?

            Who looks bad on that article? AEG & MJ. Why doing that now when you have the majority of people who believe they are going to win the case anyway.

            “And if emails were considered by the jury, after judge’s instrux not to do so, AEG could move for mistrial or judgment notwithstanding the verdict.”

            No, because they won’t be used in a trial. The others problems with that is you have of testimony of what happened who will cover exactly the same thing and the whole world know about the Ortega’s email anyway.

            My point is take the example of the basket case email. People who were there will be ask what happened that day and they will talk about how sick he was. They won’t read the basket case comment, but the evidence will be presented anyway. Don’t forget that what you read in that article are emails, most of them at least, made a week before he died.

            Anyway emails are a just part of the evidence.

  29. I have to laugh at this disclosure. How transparent. Mann certainly acted with the blessing of certain parties, and my guess is any ‘fan’ involvement points directly to one person. Lots of monkey business going on behind the scenes I’d say.

  30. ” remember in the Murray trial, evidence of Murray’s past was excluded, not to be touched upon, although for months prior his dismal past was plastered all over the news; yet the jurors were told not to consider any of it, including his financial mess.”

    It happens because his past has nothing to do with the case. It also happened because MJ’s past was not introduced. It’s the same for his financial situation even though they did talk about how much he was going to make.

  31. I have another point, some of the emails that are in the LA Times are in AEG’s favor. They claimed that his drug problem has nothing to do with them. The email O2 annoucement speaks about the alcohol. They didn’t start he rehearsals before April, so it shows that he was already using stuff before them. There are nothing on those emails that suggest that they knew about the Propofol. The only thing that article suggests is Philipps is an asshole but that doesn’t make him guilty.

  32. By the way KJ’s lawyers already admitted that they had little evidence against AEG. They started the lawsuit without having evidence.

  33. There is an update to that story on the same article

    “CNN has learned from a lawyer for an insurance company embroiled in a lawsuit with AEG that Mann approached him several weeks ago offering the same documents to help their case against the promoter. The company declined to follow up since they did not know their authenticity, attorney Paul Schrieffer said.

    Mann alerted the lawyer Saturday that the e-mails would be published in the newspaper Sunday, Schrieffer said. “The first time we saw these documents was in the Los Angeles Times article.”

    The existence of the e-mails, which were not turned over to the insurance company during the discovery phase of the case, have complicated AEG’s effort to prevent a court from voiding the $17.5 million policy that AEG purchased through Lloyds of London, he said.

  34. So someone is working against AEG. I am speculating here but Howard Mann is an associate of Randy jackson. The Estate and AEG are a defendant in the Lloyd lawsuit.

  35. AEG is not backing down from its charge that Michael Jackson’s mother and her lawyers leaked e-mails to a reporter, in violation of a court order, despite a claim of responsibility by someone not connected to the Jackson’s wrongful-death lawsuit against the concert promoter.

    The dramatic e-mails, published in the Los Angeles Times on Sunday, revealed the promoter for Jackson’s “This Is It” concerts expressed doubts about the star’s health and his ability to be ready for the shows for several months before his death.

    Howard Mann, who partnered with Katherine Jackson on a book about her family, acknowledged to CNN Wednesday that he gave the controversial documents to Times reporter Harriet Ryan.

    Mann said he obtained the documents from various sources, but none of them came from the Jacksons or their lawyers. Some of the documents were part of discovery in other cases, including the criminal trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, he said.

    “The Times does not comment on sources,” Ryan said in response to CNN’s request for comment on Mann’s claim that he gave them to her.

    Mann was involved in a bitter copyright dispute concerning that book with Jackson’s estate at the time he gave the reporter the documents, but the lawsuit was settled earlier this week.

    AEG lawyer Marvin Putnam, who said Tuesday that he had “unequivocal evidence” showing that MIchael Jackson’s mother and her lawyers leaked the e-mails, has asked the judge in the wrongful-death suit to punish Jackson with fines and exclude the e-mails as evidence in the case.

    “The documents released to the press were given to Mrs. Jackson and her attorneys — and to no one else — confidentially in discovery and subject to a court order,” Putnam said Tuesday.

    On Thursday, he called it “convenient that Howard Mann — a longtime business partner of the Jackson family — has come forward in this fashion.”

    “Whether these documents were leaked through an intermediary or directly by Mrs. Jackson and her counsel, this remains an egregious violation of the court’s order requiring immediate sanctions and an investigation,” the AEG lawyer said.

    Putnam accused Jackson and her lawyers of leaking the documents — despite that their “publication hurts her son’s memory and her grandchildren more than anyone else” — because they “know they cannot win on the law and are losing control over the case.”

    “After months of discovery, plaintiffs now know what we have known all along — there is nothing to support their claims,” the AEG lawyer said.

    Jackson lawyer Kevin Boyle said the admission by Mann that he was the source of the e-mails should settle the matter.

    “He (Mann) definitely never received any documents from Katherine, Prince, Paris, or Blanket Jackson, nor from their lawyers in the wrongful death suit against AEG,” said Jackson lawyer Kevin Boyle. Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson are Michael Jackson’s children.

    Boyle criticized AEG’s lawyers for their haste in pointing the finger at the Jacksons.

    “AEG made these accusations against the Jackson family and their lawyers apparently without doing even the most rudimentary investigation,” Boyle said. “We are further disturbed that the motion for sanctions filed by AEG was given to the press before it was served on Katherine Jackson or her counsel.”

    If the AEG lawyers had reached out to the Jackson lawyers earlier, they could have helped solve the mystery of the leaked documents, he said.

    “AEG has known about the alleged leak since a week before the article was published,” Boyle said. “AEG never contacted the Jackson’s counsel to inquire about the article or the documents.”

    The documents made public in the Times story are not the most damaging to AEG that were uncovered, Boyle said.

    “We can assure you that we are in possession of documents that make for an extremely compelling story in the wrongful-death case, and that completely support the plaintiffs’ claims,” he said.

    CNN has learned from a lawyer for an insurance company embroiled in a lawsuit with AEG that Mann approached him several weeks ago offering the same documents to help their case against the promoter. The company declined to follow up since they did not know their authenticity, attorney Paul Schrieffer said.

    Mann alerted the lawyer Saturday that the e-mails would be published in the newspaper Sunday, Schrieffer said. “The first time we saw these documents was in the Los Angeles Times article.”

    The existence of the e-mails, which were not turned over to the insurance company during the discovery phase of the case, have complicated AEG’s effort to prevent a court from voiding the $17.5 million policy that AEG purchased through Lloyds of London, he said.

    “We are looking for information about Michael Jackson’s prior drug use and the failure of AEG to disclose the facts and what the truth was prior to our client’s issuance of the policy,” Schrieffer said.

    The AEG lawyer said the insurance company can expect to get the e-mails eventually.

    “It appears the lawyers for the insurance company did what any ethical lawyer would do: they refused to receive documents leaked in violation of the Court’s order. And I have every reason to believe the insurers will now receive those same documents as discovery continues,” Putnam said.

  36. Why would AEG leak the emails, and Mann step forward and take responsibility? Mann is in partnership with Katherine against AEG/Estate etc. Who is proposing that AEG was the true source?

  37. Why Mann contacted Lloyd with those email if AEG was the leak? Why would they want to help Lloyd?

    Honestly I think the Lloyd stunt was a cover up. Had they accepted the emails they would have been accused of leaking to the media.

  38. If I could give the Jaxns some advise, – If you believe Sony murdered your brother, AEG plotted your son’s murder, and the estate is operating from a fake will – investigate!!! Hire private investigators, determine if you have a case, and stop looking for the evidence in blogs and fansites!

  39. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/09/michael-jackson-medical-records-dr-conrad-murray-attorneys

    Well the latest revelation (above article) courtesy of Ivy_4MJ clears up one of the conspiracy theories. That is, AEG hired Conrad Murray to Murder MJ. If that were the case then why would CM’s lawyers give Howard Mann sensitive emails that make their accomplice look heartless.

    What if Howard Mann is telling the truth, then did AEG forget that CM’s lawyers had those emails, because their motion specifically said those emails were only provided to the Jackson camp.

  40. Guys, just wanted to let everyone know I have been reading all your comments, just not able to respond as much because I started my new job recently and, as if that alone wasn’t stressful enough, I have had a LOT of catch-up work to do since getting home from Gary. Thanks for all the links and updates on this story!

  41. Alan Duke ‏@AlanDukeCNN

    Conrad Murray lawyer deny to me they ever had AEG e-mails leak to

    2 h Alan Duke Alan Duke ‏@AlanDukeCNN

    On CNN International with Richard Quest soon talking about AEG and Michael Jackson.

  42. en Hutton Heger
    The sad thing in all of this in my opinion is that Mr. Jackson’s three children are going to have to endure another round of very negative publicity about their father because of Katherine Jackson’s lawsuit against AEG. Judge Michael Pastor didn’t allow 90% of evidence Dr. Conrad Murray’s defense team had about Mr. Jackson’s health in the weeks leading up to his death because he felt that it was going to be putting the victim on trial. Civil courts are much more liberal in this sense, and I’m told that the AEG e-mails that were released to the LA Times regarding Mr. Jackson’s health aren’t as damaging and shocking as what will be presented at trial. AEG is going to mount a vigorous defense and this will include correspondence that will make international headlines. It’s absolutely unfair for Mr. Jackson’s children to go through this yet again. Just my thoughts.

  43. I agree, Shelly. I wish KJ had left the kids out of it so they would not have to have depositons, etc. Good point about civil suits being more liberal in terms of admissible evidence. Oh, Boy. I am actually asking myself if the Guardian Ad Litem should be doing more to protect the kids.

  44. It’s rom Jen Heger from radaronline. I am not sure about the emails because it Mann who told her that and he is a big liar.

    What I am 100% is we will have a huge blond bath, the good point is the Jackson’s will probably be on trial too.

  45. Well because, during some of the deposition, AEG’s lawyers asked question about what MJ said about his father:the beatings. I think they are trying to describe him as someone terribly damages becose what happened to him during his life and the beatings is part of it.

      1. I see AEG perfectly capable of that kind of cynism, ignoring the fact that in 30 yrs with his family despite family issues there were never drugs or alcohol involved, Michael had a sqeeky clean image,was in charge of his life and focused on his carreer. He was THE anti alcohol and drugs posterboy.
        If they claim he had a track record of drug abuse then why did they contract him. For his cathalogue? The insurance policy will tell.
        Even if he had a drug dependency in the 90s, when he alledgedly kept away from his family, he never failed his duties. He cancelled one tour, finished a yearlong tour, delivered 3 albums with many performances and obligations in between, married and divorced twice, started a family, was a single parent while managing a business.
        .He endured the worst media and public witchhunt, a humiliating trial, was driven from his home and forced into exile, lawsuit after lawsuit and what not and he was still standing.
        The irony is that it took only a 7 months engagement with AEG to end him up dead.

        1. Sina, it’s not true. There were lots more drugs problem than we actually knew. You can read that in the documents filed by Chernoff before the Murray trial, you have a summary of each interviews, there is also the Mike Laperruque interview from 2003 with law enforcment. Kiki Fournier and Jesus Salas testified about that in 2005 and they obviously had nothing against him.

          It happened that AEG was working with him when he died but that doesn’t mean that they are responsible.
          Yes, he was antidrugs, but it proves nothing.

          1. I feel like their “responsibility” is in the sense that they took advantage of someone in a vulnerable state. To some extent, it was business but their whole attitude just seemed very callous to me (and what RP wrote in those emails are still his words, regardless of the context). I’ve never been one of those in denial about Michael’s drug use although as with everything else, I am careful not to just believe every story the media puts out. But yes, I am well aware he had issues that go back long before AEG was in the picture. That being said, I still think this is a much bigger and more complex story than either simply: Michael was an innocent lamb slaughtered by AEG vs. Michael was a hopeless drug addict and screw-up who had to be set on the straight and narrow by AEG. I don’t think either scenario gives the full picture of what was going on here, and trying to unravel that truth is going to be a long, complicated, and ultimately very ugly process.

  46. Yes, that the point. From what I understand, they will try to prove that the family for years and that probably include some Friedman articles from before his death

    1. In Your research (which I value immensely)did you come across anything that suggest AEG knew and, supported the use of propofol by Murray as a treatment for insomnia?

      You know what makes me angry? The fact that the Jacksons forfeited the Murray civil suit. When Murray gets out of prison he will go on a rampage, and no one will be able to do anything about it. That crazy murderer will make any **** up to make money.

      1. No, but I don’t know. There is an intestin email in the NY Daily News, Philips speak bout lots of lawsuit if the shows were cancelled

  47. “I feel like their “responsibility” is in the sense that they took advantage of someone in a vulnerable state.”

    I think it’s a lot more complex than that. in one email from the Daily news you have that

    “You cannot imagine the harm and ramifications of stopping the show now,” he wrote. “It would far outweigh ‘calling this game in the 7th inning.’ I am not just talking about AEG’s interests here, but the myriad of stuff and lawsuits swirling around MJ that I crisis manage every day and also his well-being.”

    There is also that

    “Signing off as Randy, he added: “Please stay steady. Enough alarms have sounded. It is time to put out the fire, not burn the building down.”

    The way I see it the fire is MJ’s health and the building is the show. It would mean helping him without cancelling the show.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/michael-jackson-full-doubts-hated-emails-reveal-article-1.1155107#ixzz260GKyqGa

  48. I also think you have to consider that the Jacksons wanted him to do more shows. Everybody was taking advantage of him not just AEG.

    I also believe that you have to consider everything that happened in his life too. He had a very hard life and it’s a problem too.

    1. “Everybody was taking advantage of him not just AEG.”

      Oh, that I agree with, 100%. Everyone knows he was the Jackson family’s biggest cash cow.

  49. There is also something else I wantd to say, when MJ was sick during rehearsal nobody called 911 or a doctor. Why? I think they were trying to protect him and the show from the media,and from the insurance company. Sadly, I believe it had a lot to do with what the press is allow to do in the US.

  50. In the western world the press is given much reign, sometimes it is a good thing and other times . . ..

    I don’t know much, but I do know that the 2 billion dollar companies in battle next year (Lloyds & AEG) Michael will be the loser. The best I can hope for is that the judge will seals all the findings from the media.

    1. I am not real sure how this information will be relevant to them. Playing devil’s advocate here, even “if” they were to establish-or try to establish-a long history of drug abuse prior to their involvement, wouldn’t that only serve to make it even more obvious that they took advantage of someone in a vulnerable state and pushed him beyond his limits?

      It just seems to me that there’s no way they can come out of this smelling very good. If Michael was fit as a fiddle and raring to do 50 shows, then certainly that would make his untimely death while under contract to AEG look even more suspicious, as per all of the conspiracy theorists’ claims. On the other hand, if he was indeed “a mess” and displaying all of the signs and behaviors that KO described under oath, and that Phillips described in his emails, then that would have to mean that, obviously, AEG knew what they were dealing with-and still pushed right ahead as planned.

      To me, it seems that the only thing gained by trying to dig up all of Michael’s past medical history would be to shed further light on their own consciouness of guilt.

      1. I wonder why, when it comes to Michael Jackson, there are never well defined contours. Every aspect of his art and his life, everything is subject to many and varied interpretations.

        As if for him the truth must necessarily be an act of gods faith, rather than an objective fact. Regarding him (or, better, regarding us), does not exist “black or white”, there is an infinite scale of gray that covered his entire life.

        Should we perhaps accept in definitive the same for his death?

        I’m afraid so, and I think this is the greatest injustice that he had had.

        1. I agree. We spend so much time trying to discover the “truth” about this man, but the reality is that his FULL truth will always be known only to himself and perhaps a very few-as in, those who can be counted on one hand-insiders (and even a lot of those, like Liz Taylor, are rapidly passing on). Much of the truth about him CAN be found via research, but there are still-and, I believe, will always be-a lot of gray areas. As so many have said, what Michael really wanted us to know, he gave us in his music. The music is probably the only true “definite” we have. But then again, that mystique-all of the things about him that have kept people on all sides of the fence guessing and debating for years-has also been a huge part of his appeal.

          Michael’s death will go down, sadly, as have so many others-Marilyn Monroe, John F. Kennedy, Natalie Wood, and Princess Diana, as a controversial mystery with no easy answers and lots of speculation and theories. The direct cause-propofol intoxication-was little more than the metaphoric trigger.

          But who held the gun, and who pulled that trigger? Those are the much bigger-and cloudier-issues, and I don’t think they will ever be completely, 100% satisfactorily resolved.

          1. Thank you Raven- Yes, it is very sad but very true and perhaps the metaphorical trigger a bit we shot ourselves because all of us fans wanted the great return of the King.

      2. Well, they just want to prove that MJ was taking drugs before them because KJ’s lawsuit is about AEG forcing MJ to take the medicine from Murray.

        Don’t forget that MJ was fine until the beginning of June so they have no way to know what was going on.

  51. @Raven–

    I had mentioned in my first post that I wish we could get to the bottom of Michael’s death. I’m really not sure we’re all prepared for what that will entail. What was disclosed during the trial was hard enough to digest–the doctors testimonies, the heart-wrenching tape and worst of all, the autopsy photo. I still have trouble trying to shake those from my mind. I guess that’s why I watch so many of his short films, interviews and concerts. I’m desperate to remember him in all his glory. I have my own theory about his passing. Suffice it to say that Murray was only the messenger. He was properly held accountable (although his sentence is pitiful compared to the enormity of the loss he’s responsible for). I agree with you, Raven. His death will always have a swirl of mystery about it, just as the stars you mentioned. I finished reading Defending a King and knowing what his life was like during the last four years, i.e. law suits, management issues, pressure abot finances, it’s a wonder he was still with us. I cried many times. He deserved some privacy and it was almost impossible. I’m just so grateful that he loved and was loved by his dear children. They truly were his whole life. As long as we continue to “live” his message of love and compassion, he will live forever. The music, creativity and humanitariansm are part of the cosmos now. Thanks for the heart-warming posts about your visit to Gary. God bless you!

    1. The “mystery” is in not knowing who-really, truly, and ultimately-is responsible. And why.

      Was it simply Murray’s negligence? If so, the manslaughter trial and his conviction should have been it, then. End of story.

      Did Murray simply act stupidly and was lazy, or did he do this intentionally and maliciously? Again, if the former, then the story should have ended with his conviction. Obviously, many, including his family, have not been content to leave it there.

      If Murray acted maliciously, was he acting on his own or carrying out orders from someone else?

      If he was simply guilty of negligence, how much did AEG contribute to that situation by A: Turning a blind eye; B: Ignoring his requests for equipment, and C: Pressuring both Michael AND Murray that the show must go on at all costs, no matter what has to be done?

      The fact is, the trial SHOULD have answered all of those questions but that is like saying the investigation into Oswald “should” have answered all the questions about the Kennedy assassination. Obviously, that wasn’t the case, as people have continued to debate and question those findings for almost fifty years. I’m just saying that I believe Michael’s death will be very similar because no matter what is “officially declared” people will always be debating it. We know what caused his death, but as for the circumstances that led up to it, people are going to be questioning and debating it for years to come. I doubt even the outcome of this AEG trial will change anything.

      1. Raven, that will be so is probably true. But I can also accept that a character “political” as high as an American president died under circumstances so obscure that never become clear by virtue of the same nature of its “occupation” of its power and its endless interest.

        But why MJ has to suffer an injustice like that? His death is not even comparable to that of J. Lennon. There was a gun, there was a mad, there was “external”.

        About Michael, when it came to charges of pedophilia his house has been turned inside out and every detail of his life was made public in the most itchy as possible.

        I do not think there was the same attitude to shed light on this early end!

      2. Raven I agree on everything you said. But Imo AEG’s responsibility is also that they had Murray work in THEIR interest – not in Michaels because Michael and their interest conflicted on many levels, even on legal representation. Murray followed THEIR orders because AEG was footing the bill and made it clear in no uncertain terms.
        By taking this position they helped create the circumstances in which a crime could be committed . That makes them accomplice .
        Not even taking into account the mafia style approach towards Michael , the tough love, threats and blackmailing which was so out of the order that alone deserves to be reprimanded. I am surprised other concert promoters did not distance themself from it.
        They may not have anticipated this outcome, I think even Murray with his God complex didn’t. It could be poor judgment or a mistake, but if somebody dies, there are ramifications.
        I also think we will never know the whole truth about Michaels life and death. Part of it has to do with Michael himself. When Frank Deleo was asked if he knew about Michaels use of propofol he said he didn’t know because Michael had compartmented his life. He only let certain people in to certain parts of his life ,but no one in every part. Could be Deleo was saving his self , but if true it is sad for Michael and there will always be questions unanswered.

        1. “Raven I agree on everything you said. But Imo AEG’s responsibility is also that they had Murray work in THEIR interest – not in Michaels because Michael and their interest conflicted on many levels, even on legal representation. Murray followed THEIR orders because AEG was footing the bill and made it clear in no uncertain terms.”

          They never paid his bills and they didn’t have a sign contract with him.

          “Not even taking into account the mafia style approach towards Michael , the tough love, threats and blackmailing which was so out of the order that alone deserves to be reprimanded. I am surprised other concert promoters did not distance themself from it.”

          Because they are probably doing the same thing, like probably most companies are doing anyway. Don’t forget that the Jacksons didn’t distance themselves from AEG either, the Unity was produced by AEG.

          For Dileo, I think it’s because he wasn’t at MJ’s house.

          1. You dont need a signed contract if there is enough evidence of arrangement, services rendered, agreement on a price or salary and the nature of the relationship – giving and accepting orders.
            I dont believe that threathening and blackmailing is common practice with companies. The cases I heard of were employees sueing their employer. Anyway it is unlawful,unacceptable and no excuse for AEGs maltreatment of Michael.
            I didnt know that the Jackson tour was produced by AEG . Is it the same branch of AEG that contracted Michael? I would appreciate if you give me the original source of the information. I am going to their concert later this year and I would like to know.

          2. “Having AEG produce the Unity tour”? How could Michael’s siblings not think of his death in all their dealings with AEG?

            I initially thought that the “Jackson 5” minus Michael situation was difficult enough … not so.

      3. @Raven
        When someone you love dies senselessly there is a compulsion to make sense of it, to somehow rationalize it. Imo that is what the family and some fans are doing, and no evidence or deep conversation will EVER change their minds.

        From the evidence bore out in the trial there is no mystery. Michael Jackson died because of the gross negligence of Conrad Murray. I do not believe Murray intended to murder MJ on behalf of AEG/Sony – there is no evidence to prove that. I don’t understand how not providing medical equipment to Murray proves anything. Using propofol for sleep is unlawful, and as such would be aiding and abetting what judge Michael Pastor called a science experiment! Would that not also make fans say they were enablers?

        I believe they did turn a blind eye to Michael’s mental/physical & emotional problems, and place profit first. However, my workplace does that too. The emails that AEG sent were despicable, but they do not make the leap to murder.

        Now if you want to go deeper as to the reason that Michael ended up with these 2 parties, it was his dire financial situation. That was what led to the ill fated tour.

  52. “Having AEG produce the Unity tour is still one big “What the…?” head scratcher for me”

    It’s the Jacksons. I am not sure they believe what is in their lawsuit. I mean Jermaine was supposed to make a deposition but he never showed up. One of the reasons he was subpoaned is because he said he knew the real MJ and because of the allegations he made against AEG. If he was so sure about what he alleged why not make that deposition.

  53. “You dont need a signed contract if there is enough evidence of arrangement, services rendered, agreement on a price or salary and the nature of the relationship – giving and accepting orders.”

    But there is no evidence of that and the only list of medicine equipment he asked to AEG was for dehydratation except for the CPR equipment and they did ask him why he wanted that.

    “I dont believe that threathening and blackmailing is common practice with companies.”

    There were no “threats”, they came to MJ’s house because he didn’t show up at rehearsals.As far as I know nobody claims there were “threats” before the 18th or 20th of June and the threats is only the Jackson’s side of the story and I am not sure they have witness for that.
    If you don’t appear at your job, your boss will try to know why you weren’t there and unless you have a valid excuse he will threaten to fire you.

    My point with that is at my job is we have someone who is an obvious alcoholic, the kind of comments that are made behind his back are not different than the comments Philips made. At one point he was clearly said to stop drinking or he would be fired and I don’t think it’s really different than telling MJ you appear at rehearsals or we stop everything (by the way they denyed everything)

    1. Shelley if everything was so cut and clear there wouldnt even be a case.
      Everything is still arbitrary and we know only what was made public so I will wait and see whether the court finds the evidence persuasive enough.
      On a side note, do you have a link to AEG production where it says that they produced the Jackson tour? I couldnt find it on their production site.

      1. “Everything is still arbitrary and we know only what was made public so I will wait and see whether the court finds the evidence persuasive enough.”

        I know that, my problem is there was any evidence of that why Philips and co were not charge for manslaughter?
        When the Jackson started their case they had no evidence against AEG eexcept for hearsay statement from people like Faye.

      2. @Sina
        AEG & Co. are in a civil case brought by KJ & PPB. The prosecution found no criminal cause against them. Just like they found no criminal cause against Arnold Klien whom IMO contributed to Michael’s drug problems.

        1. Yes, Teva it’s my point. Walgren was there to prosecute anyone who payed a role in MJ’s death. It means that he found nothing against AEG, no proof that they wanted MJ to take that drug or that they knew about it. I am not sure that Chernoff ever claimed that.

          Klein gave drugs to MJ but he didn’t of that and Demerol didn’t play a part in his death.

          My point is in France we have that case, and except for the number of suicides, I don’t think the Jackson case is different if what his family is saying is true

          http://www.france24.com/en/20120705-former-france-telecom-ceo-investigated-over-staff-suicides-lombard

          1. “Klein gave drugs to MJ but he didn’t of that and Demerol didn’t play a part in his death.”

            I meant Klein gave drugs to MJ but that didn’t play a part in his death.

  54. Randy Philipps is the president and CEO of AEG ive so it doesn’t matter which branhc it is, they are still working for Philips.

  55. In my opinion,it seems so obvious that Conrad Murray did ‘intentionally and maliciously’ end Michael Jackson’s life. I find it incredible that someone, a supposedly trained doctor, could be that careless, that stupid. It makes no sense to me. Why wasn’t he charged with murder? I simply don’t understand. On the other hand if AEG were merely trying to undermine his ability to perform in order to get his music catalogue and Neverland et al. it all went badly wrong, and they lost big time, as did we all. But I’m just repeating what has already been said. I hope the truth is found. I just want answers. It is all very troubling. A great man, a great thinker was silenced.

  56. In my opinion,it seems so obvious that Conrad Murray did ‘intentionally and maliciously’ end Michael Jackson’s life. I find it unbelievable that someone, a supposedly trained doctor, could be that careless, that stupid. It makes no sense to me. Why wasn’t he charged with murder? I simply don’t understand. On the other hand if AEG were merely trying to undermine his ability to perform in order to get his music catalogue and Neverland et al. it all went badly wrong, and they lost big time, as did we all. But I’m just repeating what has already been said. I hope the truth is found. I just want answers. It is all very troubling. A great man, a great thinker was silenced.

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