The Man Who Killed Michael Jackson:Caught In His Own Trap-Pt 2


Just as I was getting ready to pick up with Part Two of my review/rebuttal of Conrad Murray’s crockumentary, I happened to see this. It looks as though Murray has ensnared himself in his own trap more than we thought. He just may have destroyed any chance he might have had for a lenient sentence!

Dr. Conrad Murray’s Video Interviews Could Haunt Him At Sentencing Hearing
By Jen Heger

Dr. Conrad Murray’s decision to participate in a documentary about the Michael Jackson death trial could be used at his sentencing hearing on November 29, is exclusively reporting.

The convicted felon sat down with the Today Show before being found guilty of killing Jackson on June 25, 2009.

“I don’t feel guilty, because I did not do anything wrong, I am very, very sorry for the loss of Michael… Michael is a personal friend. It’s heartfelt. It’s been painful,” Murray told Savannah Guthrie.

Murray’s interview with Guthrie, and a British reporter, as well as the documentary which aired in the U.S. on MSNBC last Friday, could be played by the District Attorney at the sentencing hearing.

“The DA is considering playing excerpts of Murray’s interviews. It’s admissible, and completely legal. It’s very compelling evidence, as Murray told the investigating officers a very different series of events that took place, than what he revealed during what was aired on television,” a law enforcement source tells

“Walgren hasn’t decided if he is going to play the interviews, but it only makes his case stronger that Judge Pastor should sentence Murray to four years in state prison because of his inability to tell the truth, on a consistent basis.”

As previously reported, the executors of Jackson’s estate, John Branca and John McClain, blasted NBC for airing the documentary. The executors fired off a letter to the network which said, “No sooner was Conrad Murray ordered led away in handcuffs after his conviction on manslaughter charges in the death of Michael Jackson than we discovered your MSNBC network inexplicably will showcase him in primetime Friday night as if he is worthy of celebrity.

“Dr. Murray’s victim, Michael Jackson was a loving father, an incredible talent and someone who had much left to give the world. Dr. Murray is a convicted felon who a judge felt compelled to have placed in handcuffs and jailed immediately after the jury delivered its verdict. He is not someone NBC Universal should be giving a platform on a prime-time pedestal.”

The documentary also highlighted the bickering between Murray’s lawyers, Ed Chernoff and Michael Flanagan. was first to report that during the trial, things had gotten so bad between the two lawyers, that Chernoff, who lives in Houston, moved out of Flanagan’s Southern California home. Chernoff had been staying with Flanagan to save his client money.

During one shocking scene of the documentary, Flanagan says, “F**k you,” to Chernoff during an argument over the defense strategy. Murray criticized Flanagan by saying, “I take offense when my damn attorney is not prepared for that man,” referring to prosecution witness Dr. Alon Steinberg.

Stay tuned to for developments on this story.…affect-outcome

That would be the greatest payback of all, for this thing to boomerang on Murray by actually playing into his sentencing. Well, we shall see on November 29th what comes of it. In the meantime, I’ll pick up with where I left off in Part One.

The Interview-cont:

At about the 6:52 mark, the focus shifts to what Murray told the police. I’m a little confused by the line of questioning here (and equally, Murray’s response) since Hewlett is asking Murray why he did not tell police about giving Michael Jackson the propofol. The fact is, Murray did tell police, but claimed the amount given was only 25 milligrams, injected. I’m wondering if Hewlett did not mean to ask why Murray never mentioned giving propofol when the paramedics arrived,which would make more sense. But since Murray never corrects him, I’m really not sure. Murray’s emphatic response is, “They never asked me!” I am no body langugae expert (in fact, this interview would be a great one for this guy to tackle:; he has done a great series on how Michael Jackson’s body language in interviews exonerates him; I would love to hear his take on this Conrad Murray interview!); however, I do feel that Murray’s emphatic gestures and vocal tone suggest honesty in this particular segment. Here, he is very, very frustrated and I believe there may be some truth to what he is trying to tell Hewlett in regard to the police interview.  The problem is that Conrad Murray is like the little boy who cried wolf. When one has repeatedly been caught in so many lies, it becomes harder and harder for any version of their truth to be accepted or believed.

The question of whether there was a drip becomes the next big issue. This was a central focus of the prosecution’s case, with Dr. Steven Shafer testifying that a drip was the only viable explanation for  the amount of propofol Michael Jackson actually had in his system at time of death. According to Shafer’s testimony, a drip would have continued to infuse propofol into Michael’s body post arrest; because the body at that point was technically dead, the excess propofol was no longer being metabolized by the liver; thus, you get the very high concentration of propofol in the blood that was determined at autopsy.

Even if we give Murray the benfit of the doubt here, and believe his story, then we know something doesn’t add up. The effect of the propofol (if only 25 milligrams injected) should have worn off in about ten minutes, just as he says. At that point, though the patient may continue to sleep, the potential for any dangerous side effects from propofol such as respiratory arrest should be greatly diminished (but still, should not excuse leaving the patient totally unmonitored). But what the prosecution has maintained all along-and many believe-is that Michael was out for much longer than just the ten minutes or so that Murray claims. And that Murray actually, in fact, planned to have Michael out for much longer.

This explanation makes much more sense when we also take into account other indisputable evidence-not only the concentration of propofol in the blood, but also the presence of the condom catheter and the amount of urine retained in the bladder at time of death.

Condom Catheter Similar To What Murray Was Using On Michael. With A Reported 550 Grams of Urine Stored In His Bladder At Time Of Death (According To Autopsy) It Seems Highly Likely That Michael Was Unconscious For Much Longer Than The Time Reported By Murray

In fact, the biggest clue of all that Murray’s account of events is bunk could well be…well, for lack of a more delicate way to put it, the Full Bladder Theory. This was something I had wondered about ever since I first read the autopsy report. Not long ago, I came across a great article from Nikki Allygator’s blogsite From Atop The Branches of the Giving Tree that explored this topic in depth. Since I have not asked permission to quote from the article, I will simply provide the link here, but I urge everyone to check out this article and see if you don’t agree that it’s a far more plausible theory than anything put forth by Murray or his defense:

My boyfriend and I read the autopsy report together. When it came to the part that stated Michael had 550 grams of urine in his bladder, my boyfriend (who tends be a very blunt person who just says it like it is) commented, “That’s a lot of p_ss.” Well, yes. It is. Which then begs the question: If Michael had been fully awake and conscious, complaining all morning about being unable to sleep, as per Murray’s story, he wouldn’t have had 550 grams of urine stored in a painfully distended bladder at time of death because that urine would have been voided. As Nikki Allygator’s blog points out, had Michael been awake and conscious enough to be complaining to Dr. Murray right up until 10:50 am, he also would have been well aware of those 550 grams of urine in his full bladder (in short, he wouldn’t have been lying in bed complaining; he would have been going to the toilet!). And even had he been simply unconscious (but alive) his bladder would have automatically voided into the condom catheter. Which really points to a far more disturbing possibility…that he might have lain there, dead, for who knows how long before being discovered! (Or, depending on whether you adhere to any conspiracy theories, before Murray decided it was safe to take action).

Of course, I don’t have a medical background, nor claim to. It would be interesting if any readers with a medical background would weigh in, as I would be very interested to hear your take on this. But I do think it’s all the more compelling evidence that Michael Jackson was left, untended and unconscious, for a much longer period than Murray claimed-or is continuing to claim here. Which also points to the much more likely scenario that Michael was indeed hooked to a drip and being administered a slow infusion.

The topic next moves to the absence of medical records. Murray never denies that he failed to keep records while he was treating Michael Jackson in the spring and early summer of 2009. But he tries to argue this away by saying that the lack of medical records did not cause the death. Well, no, but obviously, a lack of medical records would make it all the harder to get to the bottom of what happened in the event of an emergency or worst case scenario. Whether Murray wants to admit it or not, this is  culpability on his part. It makes it seem as though something very shady and underhanded was going on-which it was! Just the very fact that he was administering propofol on a nightly basis in a home setting is incriminating enough. But it’s also another grave admission on Murray’s part (which makes one further question if this guy is dealing with a full deck!). There is a good reason why a doctor has a responsibility-to himself and to his patient-to keep accurate records! What if something goes wrong? What if another physician needs access to those records in order to provide treatment for the patient? What if the doctor is sued by the patient? One would think that, at the very least, Murray would have wanted to look out for his own interests by making sure his butt was covered in the event something happened. Myself, I am no doctor, but even in my profession (teaching) we are taught the importance of keeping accurate records. When I was in grad school doing my student teaching, I remember that our supervisor had a very good name for it. He said to always keep a CYA file-and I’ll let you guess what CYA stands for; it shouldn’t be too hard to figure out! He told us, your CYA file may be the only thing you have if a student tries to sue you or if any problems arise, even years down the road.

For a doctor to not keep records is simply unethical, inexcusable-and very stupid. Unless the doctor has reason to know that keeping records would be far more incriminating for him than to not have them. Hmmm, wonder which category Murray fell into?

Michael Had Never Officially Signed For Murray To Be His Hired Doctor

In response to a question regarding his alleged payment of $150,000 a month, Murray says he has yet to receive a dime of it. I don’t doubt this is true, largely because all of the loose ends on the business side of things insofar as Murray being hired by AEG were not yet finalized at the time of Michael’s death. In fact, Michael had never even signed the document stating that Murray had been hired as his doctor. And additionally, let’s not forget one very important detail-Michael Jackson died under Murray’s care! So, does Murray honestly think he is still entitled to his $150k? Now that he’s so thoroughly enmeshed in his own culpability, and a convicted felon to boot, he’s not going to come out of this with even one thin dime to his name.

But the defense Murray is trying to use here to throw off the line of questioning-that he was not an enabler or supplier because he never received a dime of the promised 150k-doesn’t hold water. The fact is that regardless of whether he had received the money or not, he was acting on the premise of expectation. He expected to receive that amount in the very near future, so therefore was doing whatever necessary to keep his position. That he did not receive it doesn’t change anything-and it definitely does not absolve his culpability.

At this point, Murray evades answering any further questions. “Part Two,” he says smugly, getting up and walking out. Apparently he was operating under the assumption that he would be acquitted, and would sit down for Part Two. It did not happen.

The Program:

So now, finally, getting into the meat of this: The actual mockumentary. It starts with all the usual teasers: The announcement of the 02 shows; the news reports of the death; then proceeding to clips from the trial and vociferous fans outside the courthouse. All very predictable by now, to the point of even being cheesy. What matters is what is going to transpire over the next hour as Murray attempts to exonerate his own role  in Michael’s death. The very first quote from Murray is chilling:

“Michael was an incredible human being, the greatest performer of all time. We were friends, and I can never, ever betray his trust in me.”-Conrad Murray

A couple of things stand out to me immediatly in that quote. The first two clauses are probably the only truthful and sincere thing this man has uttered in the whole two years since all of this went down. But also note that while referring to Michael as an incredible human being and his “friend” he adds the old cliche’ about him being “the greatest performer of all time.” This seems to have become a standard cliche’ for those who wish to make a distinction between Michael Jackson the human being with that of the ARTIST and PERFORMER. Even Joe Jackson was guilty of it (as the media did not fail to point out, and reminded us at every opportunity, telling us snidely that Joe Jackson did not appear to be grieving the loss of his son, but the loss of an icon!). But at the same time,  media “journalists” themselves use this tactic all the time. For instance, when discussing the allegations, they will say, “He was the greatest performer of all time BUT…” or when discussing what they perceive as the downward spiral of his life, “He was the greatest performer of all time, BUT…”

It is really just a sneaky way of saying, yes, Michael Jackson was the greatest performer of all time BUT…and then you know the rest! From that vantage point, they are going to proceed to tear down Michael Jackson, the human being! In Murray’s case, he uses this setup/teaser tactic  to let the audience know that even though he could never “betray” Michael Jackson, he is nevertheless about to do just that!

It’s the same duality and “attachment syndrome” that has cursed so many of Michael’s friendships and acquaintances. Because of the attraction of celebrity, few could resist the temptation to be part of his inner circle; everyone wanted that! But by the same token, a precious very few have been unable to resist the tempation to then sell out that acquaintance. Murray wants us to somehow believe he is an exception, while his very actions prove he is not! He wants us to believe that it is only circumstances-being accused of Michael Jackson’s homicide-that have led him to betray Michael’s confidence.

But let’s go back to this:


There was some initial debate as to whether Michael was under the influence of something Murray had given him, or if Murray simply ‘found” him in that condition due to drugs administered by some other doctor. In either case, the bigger ethical issue was, Why did Murray record him in that condition to begin with? For what purpose?

Defense attorney Michael Flanagan was quoted as saying that “This is what happened when Murray wasn’t around to treat him.”

But in his Today Show interview with Savannah Guthrie, Murray admitted that Michael was under propofol at the time of the recording, which also is a VERY strong indication that most likely it was Murray who had administered the propofol and was thus, directly responsible for Michael’s drugged state in that recording! Listen to what he says here at 5:45:


 So it looks as though, yes indeed, this was exactly what would happen when Murray was around to treat him! Then, having gotten him into that condition, he proceeded to record the conversation! One can only surmise for what purpose, but it seems evident that an eventual “betrayal” was already in the planning stages!

Getting back to the program, we come to the next interesting quote. “My story is one of David and Goliath,” Murray says. “I’ve seen the whole world coming at me; that is Goliath.” He also seems to be implying that he was David when he became ensnared in the “Goliath” that was Michael Jackson’s life and AEG. But one can just as easily look at that situation and ask if Michael Jackson wasn’t the David in this picture! Between the relentless pressure of AEG, fighting insomnia, dealing with the overall stress of the shows, and being subjected to Murray’s nightly “treatment”-which, regardless of whether he asked for it or not, was neither in the best interest of his health or well being-who was really David and really Goliath in this picture?

Conrad Murray Is No David!

Anyway, Murray’s analogy doesn’t quite hold up because at the end of the story of David and Goliath, David emerges victorious-despite great odds. That’s the whole point of the story. Maybe Murray still envisioned at the time of his statement that he would emerge victorious also. But it doesn’t look to me as though there are any “Davids” here at all. Michael Jackson is dead, and Murray is facing possible prison time. No giant has come crashing down. In short, I think Goliath won.

“It’s not for others to judge,” Murray says. But he has been judged-and the verdict is Guilty.

In Part Three, I will conclude my review/rebuttal, and will show conclusively that the only thing Murray has succeeded with this little scheme has been the further tightening of his own noose.



29 thoughts on “The Man Who Killed Michael Jackson:Caught In His Own Trap-Pt 2”

  1. A person truly under the influence of propofol can’t speak at all, because they are in a medically-induced coma. Michael may have been under the influence of the benzos Murray so readily dispensed, or he may just have been drifting off to sleep. I really don’t understand what’s supposed to be so shocking about what he said, or how he sounded. Although it’s been characterized as ‘ incoherent’, in reality every word is comprehensible. The shocking aspect is the fact that Murray recorded Michael, obviously without his knowledge or permission, and then stupidly kept the recording on his phone. He probably used it to impress the ladies in the strip clubs.

    1. I agree. I didn’t quite get it when the media kept saying he was rambling or speaking incoherently, other than to sensationalize it. He is definitely not incoherent at all. He knows exactly what he’s saying, and furthermore, though it is a bit difficult to decipher what he is saying without benefit of transcript, not impossible. I would not even classify it as true rambling, though occasionally you can tell he’s struggling to stay focused. There are some lapses where he seems to sort off drift in and out but he’s not incoherent at any point

      1. Was the prosecution using it to assess how much Michael was under the effect of the drugs at that hour?

        Everything from Murray was a lie anyway – what, when, … etc.

        1. I think the main reason for the prosecution using the tape was to show that Murray was well aware of Michael’s condition when he cam eon board, but then proceeded to order even more propofol and to administer even more drugs.

    2. Totally agree Simba. I still cant figure out what is supposed to be so shocking on a man feeling sleepy (what ever may have coused it). Michael makes perfect sense in everything he sais. Kind and thoughtful as ever. Just an other media hype I say… so sad and predictable really. God bless you Michael I just love you more. As far as Dr Conrad.. he has been spinning his selfish web of betrayal and now he is also getting caught in it.

  2. I am surprised anyone who could really consider themselves a true fan would even be able to bear listening to and watching one more moment of Conrad Murray! It makes me puke even thinking of watching that SON OF A BITCH murdering criminal and I can’t see the point of having supported MSNBC/NBC and that British production company who gave him free lunches/perks for being given some $300,000 for making this crap from 2009 onwards! UGH!

    1. I agree with you 100%. But watching the video clips does not contribute to the ratings or profit for MSNBC or anyone else. I did not watch the broadcast, and only watched the doc in its entirety once the clips had been posted on Youtube. The fact is, this doc WAS aired in three major countries, and millions saw it. It behooves us, I think, to at least be aware of its contents. My purpose here is that hopefully, fans who were so worried and upset over the airing can maybe rest a little easier knowing just how bad it really makes Murray look. After seeing it, I came to the conclusion-as many have-that it did Murray far more harm than good, and that is the silver lining here which I’m hoping to get across. I actively supported the effort to prevent this doc from airing and also supported the boycott. But now that it’s done and it aired anyway, I don’t think it hurts for fans to at least be aware of its contents-and really, should be happy that it paints Murray in such a negative light (almost hilarious in a pathetic kind of way, considering that obviously was not the intent). In a way, it’s been a major relief for me, as I’ve gone from anger and outrage to almost having to laugh about it. Murray is going to get his comeuppance for this come sentencing day; I really feel that. Trust me, I am as ready to move on from Conrad Murray as anyone else. I was just stating earlier this evening that once I finish the final installment of this, I am pretty much done as far as Conrad Murray. I feel like I’ve already devoted enough time and space to this loser, and I am ready to get back to celebrating Michael Jackson’s life and legacy.

      1. That is exactly how I feel. Thanks for analyzing the documentary as I have not watched. Thank you for doing that “dirty” work.

  3. This Is One Thing That Has Never Been Brought Up Since Michael Passed This Is My Theory Michael Died Around 9:00am That Mourning,Nobody Remember’s That This Was All Over The New’s That Murray’s Nurse’s Was Seen By A Witness At His Storage Unit Removing Box’s. When The New’s Caught Up To One Of The Nurse’s She Laughed & Said That They Were There Picking Up Chair’s But This Has Never Been Spoken About Why Is That ?

    1. I do remember that story. Perhaps it was investigated and did not pan out. But I do think Michael was gone much longer than what Murray’s story supports.

  4. Originally, the EMTs were quoted as saying that MJ had been dead for two to three HOURS when they arrived. That later changed to 20-30 minutes. How then, was he “cool to the touch” as testified to in court and why was an experienced paramedic unable to find a vein in his arm?

    I know that MJ would hate these invasions of his privacy, but you, and other bloggers, are the only truth to be had. I thank you and God bless you for it.

  5. Thank you Raven for writing such in-depth reviews of the these ‘programs’. Like many others, I simply cannot look at murray without feeling nauseous and have therefore avoided watching any clips on YT. However, I agree with you 100% that it is VITAL that we are aware of what was said as how can we defend Michael if we do not know? So your blog helps me to do that.
    It is clear to me that murray is a sociopath. Just as it is clear to me that there is more to Michael’s death than we will ever know. I am not saying someone sneaked in and murdered Michael or even that he was intentionally killed. More like there has been a campaign by many to control him and thereby gain access to his wealth, which is considerable.
    I look forward to reading Part 3. Thank you again and God Bless xxx

    1. Part of the defining characteristic of a sociopath is having no sense of guilt for their actions. They don’t seem to realize how their actions impact others-no do they care. While I’m not a doctor and in no position to diagnose Murray, if you look at his pattern of behavior, it seems to fit the criteria. He has hurt many people in his life-his wife, his children, Michael, Michael’s children, and on and on. Yet he seems to continue to flaunt those very actions that he knows inflicts pain. Sure, he will cry-if someone is saying something nice about HIM. Sociopaths usually have no emotions regarding their actions or the people they have hurt. I don’t know how others feel, but for me, I think I might could have forgiven Murray-or been more inclined to, at least-had he just owned up to his actions from the beginning, admitted he made some terrible mistakes, and accepted his punishment. Instead, he has continued to show no remorse, has needlessly dragged this painful process out (I suppose feeling confident he would get off) and has further rubbed salt in the wound with what we know now about this mockumentary. Even if he’s not the only one guilty here, he IS guilty, and I hope Pastor throws the book at him on Nov 29th.

  6. Didn’t Janet Arvizo also call Michael a “Goliath” in one of her testimonies in 2005? It’s just interesting.
    I also think that even the prosecution was aware that Michael must have died some time earlier, but they based their case only on Murray’s police interview, which means on his own words, because it was enough to convict him.
    Thanks, Raven, for this great analysis.

  7. The prosecution team was well aware that Murray’s statement was filled with lies. They wanted to charge him with murder, but Steve Cooley wouldn’t allow it. Former ADA Hamid Towfigh even said it would have been easier to make the murder charge stick, but Cooley wouldn’t risk an acquittal. There’s no explanation as to why he didn’t charge Murray with both and let the jury decide.

  8. @ raven are you going to blog about the “CSI” in this case?
    Murray can say all he want about MJ was not on a Iv drip , Dr schefer the scientist who drink the propofol to show it will not kill you from drinking say MJ was infuse and there is not a piece of evidance can say he is wrong very bold statement, when all Murray and Co. can say they did not find the tubing so no drip, and did not even try to counter dr Schafer theroy with fact but with a under hand theroy that turn out to support dr schafer theroy even more that the amount of drug was not injected by MJ so it either one Murray infuse or injected.

    So far Murray lies are what help to convicted him, his legal team forgot to tell him to do not speak or anything you say will be use agains you, so Murray chat away.
    From Murray own words it’s seam to be a habit of his to hook MJ up on a night drip and them leave the room to make calls because he don’t want disturbed MJ while he his resting. So on the night of the 25 of June he did the same thing , how we know his phone records, eg at 7:am Murray say he was telling to meditate lie at 7:am Murray was making calls and texting and emailing, where was MJ? I say sleeping , at 10: 31 am Murray was on a call for 8. Add minutes but murray say MJ was begging him for propofol and that is when he gave in and give that we bit of 25 mg, question. For Murray was is during the calls you agree to give MJ the drug or after the calls? I say MJ was sleeping why becaus his bladder was full and if he was awake at that point he would have pee.
    After seeing Murray documentary There is no way he would survive Walgren on the stand, way too much lies to he was in a basket on the high sea trying to keep the water out.

    I don’t know if any caught. On where Murray say he met MJ with propofol and it was the media who say he Order 5gallon, when all one needed to do was to add up the shipment record and see the true amounts,
    Second there is zero proof MJ buy any or order any propofol for any doctor all the drug trace back to Murray , yet he see fit to lie and kill MJ some more.
    How did he see in his small brain saying MJ at 50 is still wetting his bed will help him is play out for all to see that this man and his defence has nothing but to use MJ “weirdness” as a tatick, he and his legal team was counting on MJ beeing different would help them win, because his legal team seams quit happy to say when They show that photo of babies and MJ bathroom would prove how weird MJ was. So people would not look at the facts but at MJ weirdness, wrong the juries look at the facts in this case and in the 05 case and say all the side show has nothing to do with the main show, you Murray in your care or lack of care kill a man and we find you guilty as charge.

    1. About wetting the bed, if one is drugged and cannot wake himself up, his body will relieve itself. I’m sure the bottle with urine was so MJ could relieve himself without getting up and going to the toilet. That would wake him up totally and he couldn’t afford that seeing as how difficult it was to get to sleep and stay asleep. Totally understandable!

    2. Sorry for not replying sooner. I was out of town all day yesterday and away from my computer. Some of the issues you raised I do plan to cover, or at least discuss, in Part 3. Of course, Murray was the one ordering the propofol, there is no doubt about that! Also, even though some have said he had used propofol in the past during the HIStory tour,there is no evidence he had used it since then until Murray comes into the picture in the spring of 2009.

      My personal theory is that Michael’s insomnia was not a real issue for him until he had to be on a strict regime of rehearsing and touring. When he was not rehearing or doing shows, it wouldn’t really matter when he fell asleep-or if he fell asleep at all. Michael was perfectly happy to stay up all night composing, readingwatching TV or surfing the net. There are stories about him going out to The Giving Tree on nights he couldn’t sleep, and just sitting there and composing (this being when he still lived at Neverland, obviously). How wonderful it would have been for him to have his Giving Tree at Carolwood, instead of Dr. Murray!

      I think it was the stress of rehearsing again that was driving him to such desperate measures. He wasn’t able to just go with the flow of his natural body rhythm, but had to be in peak form for rehearsals. I also think he was vulnerable and that his vulnerability was taken advantage of.

      To be honest, I’m not even sure whether to believe the story about the bed wetting. But even if it’s true, there could have been an underlying medical condition for it. What Murray tries to do is make it sound like a regressed childhood, psychological issue-and we simply don’t know that. Murray was banking on being able to sell-once again-the image of the “weird” psychologically disturbed Michael Jackson who was desperate enough to do anything. I just think he failed at it because all he succeeded in doing is making himself look like a self-serving oaf.

      Another very telling part of this doc is how we actually SEE Murray and the defense sitting around plotting these stories, trying to come up with palusible theories for what Michael “could have done,” or “might have done.” Obviously, they didn’t have a clue. They knew they didn’t even have the science on their side. Chernoff basically admits they are grasping at straws. You see/hear them sitting there, discussing all the possible scenarios of what Michael could have done while Murray was out, or what they wouldn’t put it past him to do-but what emerges so clearly is that you see these men are really just sitting there trying to plot out which “story” they can best sell to the jury.

  9. Did anybody else notice that in the frugged interview, when Michael said He was going to open the Michael Jackson Childrens Hospital, Murray then said “I know you WOULD”. Not “I know you WILL” But, “Would as in “you would if you could”…but you won’t be able to (implied)
    Maybe, I’m reading too much into it, but I found it very revealing. Did Murray know something? Treachous!!!!!

    1. A lot of people have noticed that. Myself, I’m not sure how much to read into it. Murray’s English is occasionally prone to these sort of slips, since it is not his native language. But if one reads between the lines of this conversation, it almost has the ring of a deathbed conversation…very chilling.

  10. Thankyou for doing this summary for us Raven. I refused to watch this program when it aired in my country and was even very hesitant to watch it on YT afterwards. However, I was curious to know what Murray had said (for the context of my advocacy work for Michael), so a friend of mine forwarded to me the written transcripts which I am working my way through now.

    I greatly appreciate the time you have spent in bringing your analysis of it to us. After part 3, I too am done with Murray. I’m sure Judge Pastor will take into account Murray’s actions with regard to this “mocko” when sentencing him and at the very least, strip him of his medical licence so he cannot ‘play around’ with dangerous drugs and people’s lives ever again.

    Bless you Raven.

  11. I only got up the stomach to watch it myself after I began hearing some initial reviews about how bad it actually made Murray look.

  12. I also haven’t been able to stomach watching Murray’s mock-u-mentary, however, I did see the 2 interviews he did with Savanah Guthrie and the man makes me sick to my stomach. The excuses and justifications he continues to make are a disgrace. He truly doesn’t get it.

    My understanding is that Flanagan and Chernoff were in total disagreement about Murray testifying during the trial. Apparently, Flanagan did want him to testify and Chernoff did not. As lead attorney, Chernoff got his way. That’s ashame because it would have been important to see Murray cross examined on the stand. Walgren would have taken each one of his pathetic excuses to pieces. As Walgren said in his closing statement, Murray performed an obscene experiment on his patient. Murray should never be allowed to practice medicine again! The defense final witness, Dr. White, is also a disgrace in my view. His testimony was “bought” literally and figuratively. In some ways he was shown to be no less ethically challenged than Murray. Integrity and ethics be damned as long as the $-price-$ is right. Disgraceful!

    Raven, you disgussed the fact that Michael had a full bladder at the time of his death. Although it’s a delicate subject, I’m glad you’re disgussing this and I’m glad you referenced Gator Girl’s article on the subject. I didn’t see every second of the trial but did the bladder issue get mentioned during the trial? For me, along with so many other things, this proved Michael wasn’t demanding anything from Murray much less attempting to dose himself with anything. Keeping it real, despite MJ’s mildly enlarge prostate issue, even slight movement would have caused him to relieve himself to some degree. Clearly he did not and clearly he did not move at all….and for some time as you point out. Also, if anything is to be believed regarding Murray’s statement to the police, he claimed Michael relieved himself adequately at 7:30am that morning, so his later claims that Michael had difficulty in this regard are bunk.

    By the way, great to see you back, Raven!…:-)

    1. Murray remains as stubborn, unremoreseful, and unrepentent as ever, even after over two weeks in jail:

      This is the part of the article that made my stomach churn:

      “Dr. Murray wanted to testify, and feels that if he had, there is no way he would have been convicted. Murray is livid that his lawyers didn’t put him on the stand and has said he plans on pleading with Judge Michael Pastor for mercy. Murray will admit no guilt, and not take any responsibility for his actions. Murray plans on appealing and wants the judge to give him probation only for killing Michael Jackson,” a source close to the situation says.

      My biggest fear of Murray testifying was not so much that I feared what he would say, but that he would use his charm to hoodwink the jury-something Murray is quite good at, although I don’t think anyone is buying his act anymore. One can only pull the sad faced “poor me” for so long-but if the evidence is stacked against you, it’s stacked against you.

      The Full Bladder Theory wasn’t brought up in trial. They only discussed the urine in the bladder in relation to the concentrations of propofol and Lorazepam it contained (as compared to the earlier voided urine in the bedside container). What struck me most about the 550 grams is that this would SEEM to go completely against Murray’s claim that Michael was fully awake and demanding propofol as late as 10:40 am that morning; obviously, others have drawn that conclusion as well.

      1. From the quote you posted, Murray is clearly delusional. It’s a shame he wasn’t put on the stand to face cross examination to show even further how dangerous this man’s ignorant, arrogant attitude was and continues to be. Murray speaks of “trust,” “friendship” and “love” in regard to his association with Michael. As we’ve all been shown, nothing could be further from the truth and the more Murray opens his mouth the more this becomes apparent. It’s heartbreaking that this smooth talking lieing murderous fool ever got near Michael. There is only one person in the world Murray “loves” and that’s himself. He disgusts me. At the end of the day, I’m relieved that the jury assigned the responsibility to him that he refused to assign to himself but I’m saddened that the punishment will not fit the crime. I find some small comfort in the fact that his legal issues are far from over since there are still 2 civil cases pending against him. My understanding is that those cases may end up having a broader scope and include the likes of Dr. Arnold Klein. Dr. Klein wasn’t directly responsible for Michael’s death (in fact he has been insisting that the documents from his office presented at trial were not all his) however, I feel he still has a lot to answer for.

        By the way, I’d like to include this article about Murray’s defense team. Apparently they won’t be representing him during his appeal process.


        1. @SandyK

          Arnie Klein is definitely no lily in all of this.

          Thanks for the link. Have not read it just yet, but I will later today. Murray’s defense is probably abandoning a sinking ship. I think Chernoff was quoted as saying he would have to get back to his other cases in Texas just to make money. They know this case is a no-win for them.

  13. Yes.. it seems they are jumping a sinking ship. Luckily justice is not just left to humans. Everything that Dr Conrad did in the past is sure coming his way. Dumped by his lawyers is just the beginning. I hope it will awaken him and his challenges make him into a better person. Able to feel true love and compassion to others. L.O.V.E.

  14. I am very disturbed and incensed. My sixth sense warning somehow tells me that what happened to Michael was extremely shady. How could a trained doctor make so many glaring blatant mistakes? It makes no sense. Why did Steve Cooley, ADA, opt for involuntary manslaughter to avoid an acquittal when Murder was provable; and why were the CTV tapes at Carolwood erased? With Conrad Murray saying he knew Michael ‘would have’ built a children’s hospital, all the lies and concealment; it all points to a conspiracy to me on the part of the authorities, the police, AEG and their devious contract, and even Sony involved, perhaps, to protect their ‘fall guy’ Conrad Murray. However, there is nothing we can do to expose any crime here, and it won’t bring Michael back. The gaping loss to the world is so terrible, there are hardly the words to express the emotions; a catastrophe of mammoth proportions. I think world-in-melt-down events, political uprisings, some personal tragedies, and the News Corporation/International tabloid newspaper hearings are a reaction. Many signs support this view. I feel a real sensitive awareness and connection; during the London riots, dozens of buildings were set alight; one of them was a SONY warehouse, and the TV helicopter hovered overhead longer than usual to film the blazing building with the huge letters ‘SONY’ on the roof! As you can tell, I am so angry, so distressed by such a senseless waste of such a valuable life, and I’m sure I am not alone. The gradual rippling effect is not over yet.

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